fan_from_texas wrote:

Footwedge wrote: Everybody on the right blamed Clinton for 9-11. Everyone. In fact they still do...to this day.

Is that a joke? I didn't blame Clinton for 9/11. I don't personally know of any righties who did. I guess if you associate with fringe right-wing militia-type conspiracy-theory groups, they probably blame Clinton, but I don't think most of us do/did.

Let me rephrase then. Everyone that is very partisan on the right blamed Clinton for the attacks on 9-11.

And this... about to be aired on that libbbberrrral ABC network.

ABC intends to mark the occasion in far more grand a fashion. Starting September 10th and ending September 11th, the network will show a miniseries titled "The Path to 9/11." According to reports from early screenings, the writer/producer of the miniseries, Cyrus Nowrasteh, has crafted a television polemic intended to blame the entire event on President Clinton.

Nowrasteh, an outspoken conservative of Persian descent whose family fled Iran after the fall of the Shah, spoke last year at the Liberty Film Festival, described by its founders as Hollywood's first conservative film festival. Govindini Murty, actress, writer, and co-director of the Liberty Film Festival, wrote a review of "The Path to 9/11" for the right-wing online news page FrontPageMag.com.

In the review, Murty states, "'The Path to 9/11' is one of the best, most intelligent, most pro-American miniseries I've ever seen on TV, and conservatives should support it and promote it as vigorously as possible. This is the first Hollywood production I've seen that honestly depicts how the Clinton administration repeatedly bungled the capture of Osama bin Laden."

Leaving aside the wretched truth that the far right is once again using September 11 to score political points, the facts regarding the still-lingering effort to blame the Clinton administration for the attacks must be brought to the fore. Nowrasteh, at several points in his miniseries, rolls out a number of oft-debunked allegations that Clinton allowed Osama bin Laden to remain alive and free before the attacks.

http://www.truthout.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts

LOL at implying ONE program tilted to the right offsets all the liberal bias ABC has repeatedly displayed in its existence.

Writerbuckeye wrote: LOL at implying ONE program tilted to the right offsets all the liberal bias ABC has repeatedly displayed in its existence.

Not sure you saw his link, it is dated August 30, 2006.

There isn't any program.

Footwedge wrote: LOL. And how many links do you need showing Fox News etal continuallly blaming Clinton for 9-11?

10? 20? 100? 1000?

And George W. Bush blamed Clinton himself

Sol it went from "everybody" to Fox News and Dub. So the other several million that comprise "everybody" was yet another lie by you. Do you ever tire of not telling the truth?

queencitybuckeye wrote: So it went from "everybody" to Fox News and Dub. So the other several million that comprise "everybody" was yet another lie by you. Do you ever tire of not telling the truth?

Yes, well, everybody also thinks I'm the best looking guy on earth. And by "everybody," I mean my wife.

fan_from_texas wrote:

queencitybuckeye wrote: So it went from "everybody" to Fox News and Dub. So the other several million that comprise "everybody" was yet another lie by you. Do you ever tire of not telling the truth?

Yes, well, everybody also thinks I'm the best looking guy on earth. And by "everybody," I mean my wife.

Hey, I thinkkkk yur cuuute

queencitybuckeye wrote:

Footwedge wrote: LOL. And how many links do you need showing Fox News etal continuallly blaming Clinton for 9-11?

10? 20? 100? 1000?

And George W. Bush blamed Clinton himself

Sol it went from "everybody" to Fox News and Dub. So the other several million that comprise "everybody" was yet another lie by you. Do you ever tire of not telling the truth?

Ooh looky here....I corrected my original statement. that I made..see how easy that was?

Down below you can read the BOLD PRINT in how I restated my opinion.

Keep calling me a liar bud...my guess is that you will get yourself banned soon enough. I've been wrong before...but I have never lied....not even once. LJ's rules clearly states no personal attacks.

(Yesterday 09:43 AM)fan_from_texas Wrote:
(01.21.2010 07:56 PM)Footwedge Wrote:
Everybody on the right blamed Clinton for 9-11. Everyone. In fact they still do...to this day.

Is that a joke? I didn't blame Clinton for 9/11. I don't personally know of any righties who did. I guess if you associate with fringe right-wing militia-type conspiracy-theory groups, they probably blame Clinton, but I don't think most of us do/did.

Let me rephrase then. Everyone that is very partisan on the right blamed Clinton for the attacks on 9-11.

Footwedge wrote:People for some reason have very short memories apparently.

Obama blames Bush. Bush blamed Clinton. Clinton blamed the older Bush. And Reagan had a field day blaming Carter.

It's just pure humor to me...all the people criticizing Obama for laying blame on the last guy.

The political practice may be tried and true, but BHO has gone to the Bush Bashing Well so many times now that it is not only comical, it's the only thing about this presidency that's transparent.

The political practice may be tried and true, but BHO has gone to the Bush Bashing Well so many times now that it is not only comical, it's the only thing about this presidency that's transparent.

To be fair, Bush did leave the country in worse shape than any president since Herbert Hoover, so if I was president at least for the first year I would do the same thing Obama did in blaming it on his predecessor. He can't get away with it for much longer, but polling shows that the public still does by a large majority blame Bush for the current economic problems. Politically it is smart to go back to that well until the reservoir runs dry.

IggyPride00 wrote:To be fair, Bush did leave the country in worse shape than any president since Herbert Hoover, so if I was president at least for the first year I would do the same thing Obama did in blaming it on his predecessor. He can't get away with it for much longer, but polling shows that the public still does by a large majority blame Bush for the current economic problems. Politically it is smart to go back to that well until the reservoir runs dry.

I'll be fair as well. I do not for second defend "W" on many things he did. Conversely I think he (and Hoover for that matter) was and still is unfairly blamed for a lot of the country's woes for which he had little if any control.

Obama is also in the same boat but for other reasons.

One thing is certain: W may have left the country in worse shape than Hoover, but Obama is no FDR.

IggyPride00 wrote:

The political practice may be tried and true, but BHO has gone to the Bush Bashing Well so many times now that it is not only comical, it's the only thing about this presidency that's transparent.

To be fair, Bush did leave the country in worse shape than any president since Herbert Hoover, so if I was president at least for the first year I would do the same thing Obama did in blaming it on his predecessor. He can't get away with it for much longer, but polling shows that the public still does by a large majority blame Bush for the current economic problems. Politically it is smart to go back to that well until the reservoir runs dry.

The Hoover reference is somewhat debatable. In any case...like him or not, Reagan didn't use that strategy at all when he took office. I have yet to see any quotes from his first year in office ever uttering the words "inherited" or "predecessor."

Like him or hate him, it's undeniable that he as least acted like the farking POTUS is supposed to act when he takes office under difficult circumstances...take ownership of the situation and lead. It ain't rocket surgery.

fish82 wrote:In any case...like him or not, Reagan didn't use that strategy at all when he took office. I have yet to see any quotes from his first year in office ever uttering the words "inherited" or "predecessor."

Like him or hate him, it's undeniable that he as least acted like the farking POTUS is supposed to act when he takes office under difficult circumstances...take ownership of the situation and lead. It ain't rocket surgery.

Obama thinks he is leading by giving multitudes of polished teleprompter speeches to - well - the multitudes.

Obama and Reagan are communicators but that's where the similarities end.

Whether you approved of his style of governance or not Reagan knew the merits of positive leadership which inspired and motivated many Americans.
I agree with you. I cannot recall Reagan constantly tossing Carter under the bus if he did it at all.

Obama's style of leadership by contrast is to dwell on the past, lay blame, and focus on the negative. He's reaching the point where it's put up or shut up time.

It's remarkable that he campaigned on a message of "hope & change" but governs on a message of "doom & blame."

believer wrote:

fish82 wrote:In any case...like him or not, Reagan didn't use that strategy at all when he took office. I have yet to see any quotes from his first year in office ever uttering the words "inherited" or "predecessor."

Like him or hate him, it's undeniable that he as least acted like the farking POTUS is supposed to act when he takes office under difficult circumstances...take ownership of the situation and lead. It ain't rocket surgery.

Obama thinks he is leading by giving multitudes of polished teleprompter speeches to - well - the multitudes.

Obama and Reagan are communicators but that's where the similarities end.

Whether you approved of his style of governance or not Reagan knew the merits of positive leadership which inspired and motivated many Americans.
I agree with you. I cannot recall Reagan constantly tossing Carter under the bus if he did it at all.

Obama's style of leadership by contrast is to dwell on the past, lay blame, and focus on the negative. He's reaching the point where it's put up or shut up time.

It's remarkable that he campaigned on a message of "hope & change" but governs on a message of "doom & blame."

According to you. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I'll give Obama the same opportunity. One year is way too early to pass judgment, unless of course you have some preconceived notions.

Bigdogg wrote:

believer wrote:

fish82 wrote:In any case...like him or not, Reagan didn't use that strategy at all when he took office. I have yet to see any quotes from his first year in office ever uttering the words "inherited" or "predecessor."

Like him or hate him, it's undeniable that he as least acted like the farking POTUS is supposed to act when he takes office under difficult circumstances...take ownership of the situation and lead. It ain't rocket surgery.

Obama thinks he is leading by giving multitudes of polished teleprompter speeches to - well - the multitudes.

Obama and Reagan are communicators but that's where the similarities end.

Whether you approved of his style of governance or not Reagan knew the merits of positive leadership which inspired and motivated many Americans.
I agree with you. I cannot recall Reagan constantly tossing Carter under the bus if he did it at all.

Obama's style of leadership by contrast is to dwell on the past, lay blame, and focus on the negative. He's reaching the point where it's put up or shut up time.

It's remarkable that he campaigned on a message of "hope & change" but governs on a message of "doom & blame."

According to you. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I'll give Obama the same opportunity. One year is way too early to pass judgment, unless of course you have some preconceived notions.

I'll be happy to stop passing judgment when he quits fucking whining about his situation. Simple.

Bigdogg wrote: According to you. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I'll give Obama the same opportunity. One year is way too early to pass judgment, unless of course you have some preconceived notions.

Not sure what you imply by "preconceived notions". If this is what I THINK you are referring to, give it rest.

That being said, Obama's an egotistical whiner and was propelled into the White House way before he was qualified to do so.

When he stops laying blame and starts leading this country in a positive direction, I'll stop passing judgment.