2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Jan 17, 2010 9:21pm
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AcesinCalifornia
Posts: 67
Jan 17, 2010 9:46pm
I am a big David West fan, so I would like to see this deal happen. I believe he actually makes less/yr. than Z also.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 17, 2010 10:05pm
This would be a great move for the Cavs! Hate to see Z go, but you gotta do what's best for the team!
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Jan 17, 2010 10:06pm
I wouldn't trade Z unless they know he is going to be bought out. If he is, then I would do this in a second.
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 10:07pm
Well Z would most likely come back in a buy-out. If New Orleans is looking to move arguably their second best player, they are pretty much throwing in the towel for this season, so they wouldn't need Z.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jan 17, 2010 10:08pm
Didn't know the Hornets were still in Charlotte???
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 10:09pm
You didn't get that Memo? LOL oops, lemme editwildcats20 wrote: Didn't know the Hornets were still in Charlotte???
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jan 17, 2010 10:17pm
I thought the Hornets said that they didnt want to touch their core players? I think the Cavs have a better shot at landing Jamison then they do West. Jamison is getting up there in age and he has a pretty ugly contract but the guy is still getting it done.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 17, 2010 10:25pm
If you can get David West for Z you have to do it.
Z will most certainly be bought out, and will come back to the Cavs in 30 days.
Cavs would have one hell of a front line, and plenty of depth too.
C-Shaq, Z, Andy
PF- Da. West, JJ, Andy, Powe
SF-Lebron, Ja. Williams, Moon
SG-Parker, De. West, Moon
PG-Mo, De. West, Boobie
Z will most certainly be bought out, and will come back to the Cavs in 30 days.
Cavs would have one hell of a front line, and plenty of depth too.
C-Shaq, Z, Andy
PF- Da. West, JJ, Andy, Powe
SF-Lebron, Ja. Williams, Moon
SG-Parker, De. West, Moon
PG-Mo, De. West, Boobie
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 10:27pm
I don't think the Hornets know what they want to do. They aren't out of playoff contention or anything, but it's doubtful that they make it deep in the playoffs either. I will say this, if ever there was a year for them to blow up the team, well aside from CP3, this would be it. There's a ton of talent entering the draft at the PF position, so this would be the year to replace West. Derrick Favors, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, etc. are just some of the names of guys that would be available. I don't see any scenario where this trade would end up being straight up though. I think we would probably have to take back at least one more contract, and maybe give up a pick in the process, which I am okay with. It's not like we are gonna have any cap space to sign a big name next year anyways.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jan 17, 2010 10:27pm
West, Jamison or Murphy put the Cavs over the top
Assuming Z is bought out
Assuming Z is bought out
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jan 17, 2010 10:31pm
Agreed. Z for West wouldnt work financially. I could see the Cavs offering JJ with the Hornets throwing in Posey.h2thaizzo wrote: I don't think the Hornets know what they want to do. They aren't out of playoff contention or anything, but it's doubtful that they make it deep in the playoffs either. I will say this, if ever there was a year for them to blow up the team, well aside from CP3, this would be it. There's a ton of talent entering the draft at the PF position, so this would be the year to replace West. Derrick Favors, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, etc. are just some of the names of guys that would be available. I don't see any scenario where this trade would end up being straight up though. I think we would probably have to take back at least one more contract, and maybe give up a pick in the process, which I am okay with. It's not like we are gonna have any cap space to sign a big name next year anyways.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Jan 17, 2010 10:32pm
I don't want Murphy at all. West would be ideal and I would be ok with Jamison.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 17, 2010 10:39pm
Cleveland got rid of Karl just for the reason of making a lop sided trade with Z.
I have to imagine that any trade involving Z (outside of a superstar) has to include him being bought out. Having both Z and Shaq lets Cleveland do a lot of things imo.
Z + pick for West I'd do in a heartbeat only if Z is bought out.
I have to imagine that any trade involving Z (outside of a superstar) has to include him being bought out. Having both Z and Shaq lets Cleveland do a lot of things imo.
Z + pick for West I'd do in a heartbeat only if Z is bought out.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 17, 2010 10:39pm
Posey and West would be really nice.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jan 17, 2010 10:40pm
I've never really been that high on David West. I'd much rather have Jamison
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 17, 2010 10:42pm
I'm a big fan of David West, add in the fact he's younger than Jamison, he'd be a big part of this team for years to come.
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 10:43pm
Indeed. I'd give it a 97.5% chance of Z getting bought out. Those teams aren't going to be very good with or without Z, so pay him 11 million to finish the season, or pay him a fraction of that to go back to Cleveland, and let some of your younger players get more PT? Another positive would be that Z would get a month of rest before getting back on the floor. For a 30+ year old big that would be nothing but good news.
I think this would be a likely scenario
New Orleans gets Z, Jamario Moon, JJ Hickson
Cavs get David West and James Posey
New Orleans saves a ton of money by losing those two contracts. Hickson gives them a young PF that will be able to get a lot of playing time. Moon's contract is only guaranteed through next season, so they would not have to pay the final 2.9 million year, and with losing West, they also wouldn't be paying his 7.5 million owed that year.
I think this would be a likely scenario
New Orleans gets Z, Jamario Moon, JJ Hickson
Cavs get David West and James Posey
New Orleans saves a ton of money by losing those two contracts. Hickson gives them a young PF that will be able to get a lot of playing time. Moon's contract is only guaranteed through next season, so they would not have to pay the final 2.9 million year, and with losing West, they also wouldn't be paying his 7.5 million owed that year.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 17, 2010 10:45pm
I like what Moon brings to Cleveland so I wouldn't want to see him in the trade.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jan 17, 2010 10:46pm
I love the idea of bringing in West, I just think the Cavs have a better chance of getting Jamison. I will say this, if Ferry is able to bring in either one and Z is bought out I dont think there is a team in the league that can stay with the Cavs in a 7 game series.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 17, 2010 10:47pm
KR, yes there is and thats the Lakers who will still probably have better over talent than Cleveland.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 17, 2010 10:48pm
I wouldn't want to see Moon traded either.
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 10:48pm
It wouldn't be a deal buster to me. His numbers are nearly identical to Posey's in everything but contract amount and steals, which is why I think New Orleans may be intrigued by him as a possibility. Posey is a terrific on ball defender, solid outside shooter, so it's not like we would be downgrading. We would just be taking on more money, which, when you're already gonna be cap strapped, matters zero.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jan 17, 2010 10:56pm
Lakers starting 5 is as good as there is, I'm not sold on their bench though. Outside of Odom I dont see anybody that really puts a scare into opposing teams.devil1197 wrote: KR, yes there is and thats the Lakers who will still probably have better over talent than Cleveland.
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 17, 2010 11:14pm
I'd agree. I think easily if we got West we would be the deepest team in the game with Z getting bought out.
Mo Williams/West/Gibson
Parker/West
James/Moon
West/Varejao
Shaq/Z
That's impressive, especially if our role players can keep playing well.
Mo Williams/West/Gibson
Parker/West
James/Moon
West/Varejao
Shaq/Z
That's impressive, especially if our role players can keep playing well.