This isn't news.

Thug.

rock_knutne wrote: Happened back home in Minnesota:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100112/SPORTS13/100119800/1023/SPORTS13

No details have been revealed as of yet but there also seems to be a physical altercation he was involved in. Let's wait and see what happens but I doubt he gets suspended over this.

and further news, the sun rose this morning.

karen lotz wrote: Yeah two things going in his favor here. He wasn't driving and it occurred off campus when school was on a break. I'm not sure if Res Life would get involved at all?? Maybe athlete37 can give us some insight on that?? I'd have to say Kelly will have his way of punishing him after his talk about changing the players' outlook on what they are entitled to. He is trying to change the players perceptions of who they are and this would be a good opportunity to get his point across.

ResLife isn't too brutal on underage drinking tickets unless it's a repeated offense. The norm is 25 hours community service

I agree.....not news.

Its total bs.

Why can I not drink at 20? I feel the same as I did at 18? I did not mature in those 2 years. Am I going to mature more in 6 months?

Retarded law.

A number has to be chosen. Obviouslsy it can't be picked by someone who is 18.

Not necessarily. Other countries that don't have drinking ages have proven to use moderation than the US. 21 is almost a rite of passage here and leads some people to put more of an onus on drinking because it's something people aren't legally allowed to do. In other countries it is not a big deal all of their lives and in turn they drink more moderately.

athlete37 wrote: Not necessarily. Other countries that don't have drinking ages have proven to use moderation than the US. 21 is almost a rite of passage here and leads some people to put more of an onus on drinking because it's something people aren't legally allowed to do. In other countries it is not a big deal all of their lives and in turn they drink more moderately.

Bingo! I have relatives in Italy and visit frequently, they don't have any issues with minors drinking le talone someone who's age 18 or up.

As a Catholic, I believe life begins at conception. So I'm celebrating my 21st birthday in the middle of February instead of November....think it'll work?

On a serious note, this is not a big deal at all. I hope they don't do too much to him,

Preacher wrote: This is rediculous. Tonight a 20 yr old young man in fighting in Afganistan and Iraq. There is one in Haiti seriving in the Military and none of them can Buy a damn beer in the country they are serving. Does anyone else think this is moronic?

I can see the kid say coach "He said you didn't know what your were doing.lol So I punched him".

I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

ytownfootball wrote: I don't know your age rock but you risk serious health issues if you allow the posters on one hand who you allow to rankle your ire as much as they do...honestly...were it not for your reactions, most of it would simply disappear.

he's old--AND cranky...got valium??

ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.

Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.

ghosthunter wrote:

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.

Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.

While I also don't drink anywhere near like I used to, occasionally the wife and I will go out, and I'll have my Wild Turkey 101 with a few beers. I can say this most definitely: The last thing I want to do is be around a bunch of teen age morons who can't handle their liquor. I just don't have the patience anymore for stupid shit.

ghosthunter wrote:

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.

Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.

The last thing you'd want is for your military to be drinking anyway. People are a bit more mature by 21 to be able to handle it, plus a kid joining the military at 18 would be pestered by his friends to get him alcohol constantly and that would leas to a whole bunch of badness.

A flat requirement of 19 is suitable in my opinion; 92% of college kids drink anyway.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

ghosthunter wrote:

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.

I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.

Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.

The last thing you'd want is for your military to be drinking anyway. People are a bit more mature by 21 to be able to handle it, plus a kid joining the military at 18 would be pestered by his friends to get him alcohol constantly and that would leas to a whole bunch of badness.

A flat requirement of 19 is suitable in my opinion; 92% of college kids drink anyway.

The penalties, however, for an alcohol related incident for a first term military member (an individual on their very first enlistment which the majority of are under age 21) are very strict. For example, you miss the morning formation @ 7:00 am because you were to drunk to get out of the rack, would in all likelihood send this individual to level 3 alcohol counseling (essentially AA) and there's a very good chance they would be denied reenlistment if they wanted to do another hitch. I knew many fine Marines this happened to. Obviously a drunk 19 year old who misses class for the same reason is not going to suffer any legal ramifications.

The point being is that there are many control measures in place within the structure of the military that do not exist within civilian society. It's these measures that lead me to believe if a kid can take a bullet for his country then he should be able to drink at 18 aboard a US military base.

It's been good conversing with you, but I think we've "hi-jacked" the thread.

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