and further news, the sun rose this morning.rock_knutne wrote: Happened back home in Minnesota:
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100112/SPORTS13/100119800/1023/SPORTS13
No details have been revealed as of yet but there also seems to be a physical altercation he was involved in. Let's wait and see what happens but I doubt he gets suspended over this.
ResLife isn't too brutal on underage drinking tickets unless it's a repeated offense. The norm is 25 hours community servicekaren lotz wrote: Yeah two things going in his favor here. He wasn't driving and it occurred off campus when school was on a break. I'm not sure if Res Life would get involved at all?? Maybe athlete37 can give us some insight on that?? I'd have to say Kelly will have his way of punishing him after his talk about changing the players' outlook on what they are entitled to. He is trying to change the players perceptions of who they are and this would be a good opportunity to get his point across.
Bingo! I have relatives in Italy and visit frequently, they don't have any issues with minors drinking le talone someone who's age 18 or up.athlete37 wrote: Not necessarily. Other countries that don't have drinking ages have proven to use moderation than the US. 21 is almost a rite of passage here and leads some people to put more of an onus on drinking because it's something people aren't legally allowed to do. In other countries it is not a big deal all of their lives and in turn they drink more moderately.
I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.Preacher wrote: This is rediculous. Tonight a 20 yr old young man in fighting in Afganistan and Iraq. There is one in Haiti seriving in the Military and none of them can Buy a damn beer in the country they are serving. Does anyone else think this is moronic?
I can see the kid say coach "He said you didn't know what your were doing.lol So I punched him".
he's old--AND cranky...got valium??ytownfootball wrote: I don't know your age rock but you risk serious health issues if you allow the posters on one hand who you allow to rankle your ire as much as they do...honestly...were it not for your reactions, most of it would simply disappear.
I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.
Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.
While I also don't drink anywhere near like I used to, occasionally the wife and I will go out, and I'll have my Wild Turkey 101 with a few beers. I can say this most definitely: The last thing I want to do is be around a bunch of teen age morons who can't handle their liquor. I just don't have the patience anymore for stupid shit.ghosthunter wrote:Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.
The last thing you'd want is for your military to be drinking anyway. People are a bit more mature by 21 to be able to handle it, plus a kid joining the military at 18 would be pestered by his friends to get him alcohol constantly and that would leas to a whole bunch of badness.ghosthunter wrote:Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.
The penalties, however, for an alcohol related incident for a first term military member (an individual on their very first enlistment which the majority of are under age 21) are very strict. For example, you miss the morning formation @ 7:00 am because you were to drunk to get out of the rack, would in all likelihood send this individual to level 3 alcohol counseling (essentially AA) and there's a very good chance they would be denied reenlistment if they wanted to do another hitch. I knew many fine Marines this happened to. Obviously a drunk 19 year old who misses class for the same reason is not going to suffer any legal ramifications.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:The last thing you'd want is for your military to be drinking anyway. People are a bit more mature by 21 to be able to handle it, plus a kid joining the military at 18 would be pestered by his friends to get him alcohol constantly and that would leas to a whole bunch of badness.ghosthunter wrote:Not necessarily. You see, if you get in trouble aboard a military base you are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) not the civilian statute for the crime, even if there is one. In a nutshell, the military could allow drinking on their bases at the age of 18 (Camp Pendelton, Ca. did this in the 80's) if they chose to do so. The Marines were about the only one's that allowed this however, and pressure form liberal groups finally forced them to revert to the civilian age of 21.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:I would agree with that, but I'm inclined to believe that we are all created equal and that flies in the face of everything that stands for. I think the age should be nineteen.ghosthunter wrote: I agree that all 18 year old and above that are currently on Active duty should be allowed to drink. For everyone else though; 21 works.
A flat requirement of 19 is suitable in my opinion; 92% of college kids drink anyway.
