j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jan 13, 2010 2:04pm
^^ yep. at least 2 of woody's titles mean nothing to me.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 13, 2010 2:06pm
Bucktard... and you're an ND homer that can't get over the fact that your football program is a joke. Your lame attempts at bashing gets old douchebag.rocket31 wrote:we get it, we all realize you are a bucktard, RAH RAH!!!devil1197 wrote: His outdated philosophy has won 4 BCS bowl games and a NC.
He is a 9 simply for the 3 BCS losses, no coach is perfect but I wouldn't trade Tressel for anyone. No matter what the situation you will always know that Tressel will NEVER put OSU through the bullshit that these other coaches have done recently. He has taken an OSU program to elite status in the 00's and I don't see it stopping.
however, with an urban meyer type coach ohio state WINS national titles in 2001, 2005, 2006, and 2007.
2005-2007 the ohio state teams had more nfl talent than any other team in college football and came away with zero national titles. ZERO!! and two of those national title losses were blow outs.
like i said, tressell leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to Xs and Os...especially considering the talent he brings in and develops.
Its all opinion on whether or not Urban could win the title. Florida had a stacked team full of 1st and 2nd rounders this year on both sides of the ball and didn't win a national championship.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Jan 13, 2010 2:09pm
Someone Please show me Woody's 5 National Champoinship years!! Other than 1957 and 1968.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 2:11pm
for starters, i didnt bash anything other than your blind fandom to anything ohio state. (notre dame has nothing to do with this thread).devil1197 wrote:
Bucktard... and you're an ND homer that can't get over the fact that your football program is a joke. Your lame attempts at bashing gets old douchebag.
Its all opinion on whether or not Urban could win the title. Florida had a stacked team full of 1st and 2nd rounders this year on both sides of the ball and didn't win a national championship.
secondly, urban meyer had the second best team in the country this season and the only reason he didnt make it to the national title is because he had to face alabama (the national title winner)
ohio state is the conferences top dawg and will be for some time. obviously, the ohio state path to the national title is easier than the sec path...
ohio state brings in sec talent but participates in the big ten, they are in an ideal situation.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 13, 2010 2:11pm
Do a google, two weren't AP
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 13, 2010 2:11pm
In 2001 OSU was 7-5. I don't believe that Meyer would have won a title with that group.rocket31 wrote: however, with an urban meyer type coach ohio state WINS national titles in 2001, 2005, 2006, and 2007.
And Meyer didn't win 4 titles (yet) at Florida. Do you really think the players at OSU are that much better than the players in Florida?
september63
Posts: 5,789
Jan 13, 2010 2:15pm
ytownfootball wrote: Do a google, two weren't AP
I did. I think you could maybe give him credit for 3. Never 5 though.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 2:15pm
the 2002 national title season, i figured i wouldnt need to explain that.FatHobbit wrote:In 2001 OSU was 7-5. I don't believe that Meyer would have won a title with that group.rocket31 wrote: however, with an urban meyer type coach ohio state WINS national titles in 2001, 2005, 2006, and 2007.
And Meyer didn't win 4 titles (yet) at Florida. Do you really think the players at OSU are that much better than the players in Florida?
and yes the ohio state talent was better than the florida talent from 2001-2007. easily.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jan 13, 2010 2:16pm
'54 is the only other one i'd care about.
'61 If they'd won the rose bowl, but they didn't even go (the vote).
'70 they lost the rose bowl. I'm not crowning a NC who loses it's last game. Nebraska or Tennessee should've got it.
'61 If they'd won the rose bowl, but they didn't even go (the vote).
'70 they lost the rose bowl. I'm not crowning a NC who loses it's last game. Nebraska or Tennessee should've got it.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Jan 13, 2010 2:18pm
I agree. Thats why I also suggested 3.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 13, 2010 2:18pm
I don't agree the talent was better than Florida rocket, the only reason I believe you're saying so is it helps your argument.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 13, 2010 2:19pm
Not trying to be a jerk here, but OSU won the 02 title by winning the 03 Fiesta bowl. That's why I was confused about the 01 reference. I get what you mean now.rocket31 wrote: the 2002 national title season, i figured i wouldnt need to explain that.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 2:21pm
check the nfl drafts from those years.ytownfootball wrote: I don't agree the talent was better than Florida rocket, the only reason I believe you're saying so is it helps your argument.
ohio state brought in more nfl talent than any other besides USC
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 13, 2010 2:22pm
Yep but he won't admit that.ytownfootball wrote: I don't agree the talent was better than Florida rocket, the only reason I believe you're saying so is it helps your argument.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 2:22pm
no problemFatHobbit wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk here, but OSU won the 02 title by winning the 03 Fiesta bowl. That's why I was confused about the 01 reference. I get what you mean now.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 13, 2010 2:28pm
We'll never agree and I know what the draft #'s are. Florida was smaller and hit holes quicker, though many of those type players don't translate as well to the NFL, they'll simply drop on the draft board due to lack of size. The same old power/speed argument, however tiresome it is, it applied then.
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Jawbreaker
Posts: 520
Jan 13, 2010 2:46pm
I think it is hard to compare and contrast Woody and JT by using just wins and losses. The landscape of college football has changed a lot since Woody was at OSU. For example, the amount of scholarships and recruiting practices have changed. It is harder for the large schools to load up on top prospects.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 13, 2010 3:43pm
Good point. Number of players sent to the NFL is not a particularly stromg measure of talent in the context of the college game.ytownfootball wrote: We'll never agree and I know what the draft #'s are. Florida was smaller and hit holes quicker, though many of those type players don't translate as well to the NFL, they'll simply drop on the draft board due to lack of size. The same old power/speed argument, however tiresome it is, it applied then.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 3:54pm
queencitybuckeye wrote:
Good point. Number of players sent to the NFL is not a particularly stromg measure of talent in the context of the college game.
number of nfl draft picks and current nfl players are the only quantifiable measures to judge elite college talent.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Jan 13, 2010 3:57pm
It's unfair to compare Tressel to Woody, this is a different time with scholarship limits. The talent is more spread out and there are many more good teams than when Woody coached and yes I'm old enough to remember almost all Woody's years at OSU, the last few of which were nothing to brag about. Tressel is a great CEO of the program and an above average recruiter. As far as his style of play an .820 winning percentage is hard to argue with (also better than Woody's) I gave Tressel a 9 because I agree at times he is too coservative (settles for too many field goals) that sometimes come back to cost him in close games. Woody was a legend and most Buckeye fans would give him a 10, Tressel is not that much behind.Elliot Stabler wrote: He's not even close to Woody...and NEVER will be
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King Curtis
Posts: 391
Jan 13, 2010 4:03pm
I voted 7 because of the way he calls his offense.
That alone is what keeps him from being a very good coach.
That alone is what keeps him from being a very good coach.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 13, 2010 4:07pm
Based on what? This is terrible logic, because you are predicting the future with no cause. If Tressel goes on to win 14 Big Ten championships, and 5 more National titles, how can he not be better?Elliot Stabler wrote: He's not even close to Woody...and NEVER will be
Same stupid logic that people use to justify Micheal Jordan will never be surpassed, this is all an unknown. It could very well happen, and in that case, I know of at least one player who I'd put above Jordan.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 13, 2010 4:43pm
That may well be, but it doesn't make it an accurate measure. Tebow is the obvious (but far from the only) example proving that. It's just too different a game.rocket31 wrote:queencitybuckeye wrote:
Good point. Number of players sent to the NFL is not a particularly stromg measure of talent in the context of the college game.
number of nfl draft picks and current nfl players are the only quantifiable measures to judge elite college talent.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Jan 13, 2010 4:49pm
tebow is projected to be one of the top 5 quarterbacks taken this year, no offense, but i dont get your point here.queencitybuckeye wrote: Tebow is the obvious (but far from the only) example proving that. It's just too different a game.
the examples may exist but they are few and far between.
anyways, quick, fast, explosive but *small* players get drafted in the first round all time. ytown's point was not a very good one.
percy harvin, tedd ginn, reggie bush, etc...
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 13, 2010 4:51pm
If you went by his college performance, he'd be one of the top three picks in entire draft.rocket31 wrote:tebow is projected to be one of the top 5 quarterbacks taken this year, no offense, but i dont get your point here.queencitybuckeye wrote:
That may well be, but it doesn't make it an accurate measure. Tebow is the obvious (but far from the only) example proving that. It's just too different a game.