Ytowngirlinfla
Posts: 2,295
Jan 13, 2010 11:44am
Currently on ESPN first take pretty much defending McGwire. He stated that he would have still hit 70 home runs not on steroids and that McGuire, being a great player already, taking steroids didn't make him any better than he already was. Seriously? If you take them to "heal" from injuries then technically it's making you better than being off them.
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mallymal614
Posts: 3,746
Jan 13, 2010 11:59am
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Jan 13, 2010 12:12pm
Steroids don't make you better.... LOL RIGHT!
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 13, 2010 12:16pm
If steraroids didn't make you a better player, wouldn't they have gone away on their own?
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 13, 2010 12:21pm
Strawberry was never the ripest one of the bunch.
Pun intended.
Pun intended.
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Jan 13, 2010 12:45pm
I think he was probably high.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Jan 13, 2010 12:46pm
Are you just now figuring out that Strawberry is a moron?
2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Jan 13, 2010 1:54pm
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 13, 2010 1:56pm
Who is next to be interviewed by espn on this matter? Steve Howe? Jose Conseco? Rafael Palmeiro?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 13, 2010 2:00pm
Oh they already hit up Jose', you musta missed it.Skyhook79 wrote: Who is next to be interviewed by espn on this matter? Steve Howe? Jose Conseco? Rafael Palmeiro?
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Jan 13, 2010 2:05pm
I think they should do a trial test. Get Dustin Pedroia to juice in the offseason and see how much his homerun numbers increase by. I agree that PED's don't have an affect on hand-eye coordination, but to act like the muscle they help add to your frame don't help your power when you do make contact with the ball is fucking insane.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 13, 2010 2:27pm
I still think McGuire could have broken the record without steroids. Maybe not 70 and definitely not the bombs he had, but I really do think he could have still hit 62.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 13, 2010 4:01pm
Then he shouldn't have used and proved it.pnhasbeen wrote: I still think McGuire could have broken the record without steroids. Maybe not 70 and definitely not the bombs he had, but I really do think he could have still hit 62.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 13, 2010 4:53pm
Well it's a moot point now. Hell, he hit 49 his rookie year. Honestly, I think he used the steroids to heal faster. So maybe he couldn't have broken it because of injuries, but he had the talent.Skyhook79 wrote:Then he shouldn't have used and proved it.pnhasbeen wrote: I still think McGuire could have broken the record without steroids. Maybe not 70 and definitely not the bombs he had, but I really do think he could have still hit 62.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Jan 13, 2010 4:56pm
Straw was never one who was smart with his words, especially when in front of a camera... I'll always love him for how he played on the Yankee teams he won rings for, but the rest of it, well...
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jan 13, 2010 6:09pm
Strawberry was a great player and could've been a hall of famer had he stayed off the prison powder.....
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 13, 2010 6:09pm
You bring up a good point. McGwire was in the hunt to break the record a number of times, but always faded (hint: there's a benefit of steroids helping recovery).pnhasbeen wrote:
Well it's a moot point now. Hell, he hit 49 his rookie year. Honestly, I think he used the steroids to heal faster. So maybe he couldn't have broken it because of injuries, but he had the talent.
I thought McGwire probably juiced, but I could have given him the benefit of the doubt since he was a beast coming into the league. But I'll point out that just means he might have been using since college (or even high school).
Now, I know people are going to say he only admitted to taking them for a few years. He was taking andro for awhile, too, so there could be truth to that. However, I'm skeptical that while athletes in the past would deny deny deny even while the syringe is clearly sticking out from their ass, I think the new twist is "yeah, I took them...BUT only for a short while and they didn't do anything for me". Kind of like a "yeah, technically I'm guilty but it didn't matter"
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 13, 2010 6:13pm
That guy was genetically predisposed to the snowman dust.krazie45 wrote: Strawberry was a great player and could've been a hall of famer had he stayed off the prison powder.....
He actually had all the natural ability of Bonds (well, except for catching)...just chose the wrong drug.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jan 13, 2010 8:50pm
Steve Howe? Really?Skyhook79 wrote: Who is next to be interviewed by espn on this matter? Steve Howe? Jose Conseco? Rafael Palmeiro?
Hope this was just a weak attempt at a joke. Dude has been dead for nearly 4 years.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 13, 2010 9:19pm
Well he got a lot bigger between his rookie year the 70 HR year. A lot. Most would assume that was from the roids, however I guess we could argue it was just from age and a better work ethic/availability of better equipment etc.gut wrote:You bring up a good point. McGwire was in the hunt to break the record a number of times, but always faded (hint: there's a benefit of steroids helping recovery).pnhasbeen wrote:
Well it's a moot point now. Hell, he hit 49 his rookie year. Honestly, I think he used the steroids to heal faster. So maybe he couldn't have broken it because of injuries, but he had the talent.
I thought McGwire probably juiced, but I could have given him the benefit of the doubt since he was a beast coming into the league. But I'll point out that just means he might have been using since college (or even high school).
Now, I know people are going to say he only admitted to taking them for a few years. He was taking andro for awhile, too, so there could be truth to that. However, I'm skeptical that while athletes in the past would deny deny deny even while the syringe is clearly sticking out from their ass, I think the new twist is "yeah, I took them...BUT only for a short while and they didn't do anything for me". Kind of like a "yeah, technically I'm guilty but it didn't matter"
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 13, 2010 10:09pm
Maybe. I guess it just wasn't as noticeable since he was a big dude with a big frame when he came into the leaguepnhasbeen wrote: Well he got a lot bigger between his rookie year the 70 HR year. A lot. Most would assume that was from the roids, however I guess we could argue it was just from age and a better work ethic/availability of better equipment etc.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 13, 2010 10:25pm
Good God....I think Mark McGuire is going to make the HOF
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 13, 2010 11:02pm
Didn't McGwire deny using in front of a Congressional grand jury?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 14, 2010 9:06am
gut wrote:Maybe. I guess it just wasn't as noticeable since he was a big dude with a big frame when he came into the leaguepnhasbeen wrote: Well he got a lot bigger between his rookie year the 70 HR year. A lot. Most would assume that was from the roids, however I guess we could argue it was just from age and a better work ethic/availability of better equipment etc.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 14, 2010 9:13am
People who didn't use steroids.
Looks about the same doesn't he????
Looks about the same doesn't he????