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Sep 12, 2017 1:55pm
Anecdotes don't change rules. And by pure definition... yes it was talent based. A better player is more likely to field a ball. Talent wins. are there exceptions (anomalies)? yes.. but talent wins.BR1986FB;1871353 wrote:So it was "talent based" when some dumbass special teamer couldn't fall on an onside kick against the Patriots a couple of years ago that would've sealed a victory?
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Sep 12, 2017 2:40pm
This is not even close to being true. There are plenty of teams that win games against teams with far superior talent. Talent helps, but it comes down to execution and focus. Read the link I posted. There are more than a handful of games the Browns should have closed out and it wasn't because of "talent."kizer permanente;1871350 wrote:What you're not getting is "ability to close out games" is all talent based. That's what makes it cliche and gimmicky. Much like "hes a winner".. no he has skills required to make wins possible. You don't just learn these things. When you're consistently the worse team in the league, you're going to have a tough time "closing out games". As your talent gets better, you magically "learn" how to do it. It's not science. it's being better at you job. The Browns, as a whole, are better at their jobs this year. They'll probably be better at their jobs even more so next year as you acquire talent. When you're the worst in the league at drafting players..or just player evaluation as a whole.. you're gonna have a bad time.
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Sep 12, 2017 2:48pm
JFC :huh:like_that;1871360 wrote:This is not even close to being true. There are plenty of teams that win games against teams with far superior talent. Talent helps, but it comes down to execution and focus. Read the link I posted. There are more than a handful of games the Browns should have closed out and it wasn't because of "talent."
"It comes down to execution and focus". You know what helps that. HAVING BETTER TALENT!!!!!!
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Sep 12, 2017 2:52pm
Since I clearly can't convince you that being better than your opponent is the secret to winning, please explain to me how teams "learn to close out games".
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Sep 12, 2017 2:53pm
I guess you missed the part where I said "talent helps." Derp.kizer permanente;1871362 wrote:JFC :huh:
"It comes down to execution and focus". You know what helps that. HAVING BETTER TALENT!!!!!!
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Sep 12, 2017 2:53pm
You're moving the goal posts now. Nobody is disputing this.kizer permanente;1871364 wrote:Since I clearly can't convince you that being better than your opponent is the secret to winning, please explain to me how teams "learn to close out games".
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Sep 12, 2017 2:55pm
You, literally, are disputing this.like_that;1871367 wrote:You're moving the goal posts now. Nobody is disputing this.
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Sep 12, 2017 2:58pm
You bolded "What you're not getting is "ability to close out games" is all talent based" and responded with "this is not even close to being true ". So, now, I want you to tell me how teams learn to close out games that has nothing to do with talent.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:00pm
I never said being better is not the key to winning. That's why I made fun of your dumbass when you thought the browns had 11 winnable games on the schedule. If we use your logic then the most talented team wins the SB every year, which is far from the truth.kizer permanente;1871368 wrote:You, literally, are disputing this.
Literally every fucking football coach talks about "closing out halfs/games," but please tell us why you know more than all of the NFL coaches.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:02pm
bc it's fucking rhetoric you feed to reporters lol. Jesus dude.like_that;1871372 wrote:I never said being better is not the key to winning. That's why I made fun of your dumbass when you thought the browns had 11 winnable games on the schedule. If we use your logic then the most talented team wins the SB every year, which is far from the truth.
Literally every fucking football coach talks about "closing out halfs/games," but please tell us why you know more than all of the NFL coaches.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:02pm
I already said it's execution and focus, especially in the NFL when everyone is talented.kizer permanente;1871371 wrote:You bolded "What you're not getting is "ability to close out games" is all talent based" and responded with "this is not even close to being true ". So, now, I want you to tell me how teams learn to close out games that has nothing to do with talent.
-Michigan lost two years ago to MSU because their punter couldn't hold onto the snap. Does that mean MSU was more talented or because Michigan choked when it came down to closing out the game?
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Sep 12, 2017 3:03pm
My football coach said it all the time. Did you ever play football, serious question?kizer permanente;1871373 wrote:bc it's fucking rhetoric you feed to reporters lol. Jesus dude.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:05pm
I played thru high school yes. My coach also said dumb shit like it's its not the size of the dog in the fight when you were getting your shit handed to you by a bigger guy. Coaches say dumb shit to players too. That fact you bring his up as a point is blowing my mind.like_that;1871375 wrote:My football coach said it all the time. Did you ever play football, serious question?
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Sep 12, 2017 3:05pm
Also, it is not just to reporters. You hear that shit all the time when they are mic'd up.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:05pm
Except Browns coaches. The 1st commandment, "Thos shall always give up pts before half. "like_that;1871372 wrote:I never said being better is not the key to winning. That's why I made fun of your dumbass when you thought the browns had 11 winnable games on the schedule. If we use your logic then the most talented team wins the SB every year, which is far from the truth.
Literally every fucking football coach talks about "closing out halfs/games," but please tell us why you know more than all of the NFL coaches.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:07pm
I think I figured which name you used to post under. : thumbup:kizer permanente;1871376 wrote:I played thru high school yes. My coach also said dumb shit like it's its not the size of the dog in the fight when you were getting your shit handed to you by a bigger guy. Coaches say dumb shit to players too. That fact you bring his up as a point is blowing my mind.
For those in the know, I'll just say the fact that he came back form hiding is 'Mind-boggling'.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:07pm
And it's all talking points for " you gotta be better then the guy you're playing against ". It all comes down to talent. You don't execute without talent. You sure as hell don't do it very often against someone better than youlike_that;1871377 wrote:Also, it is not just to reporters. You hear that shit all the time when they are mic'd up.
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Sep 12, 2017 3:09pm
And this tangent is taking focus off the comment BR made, and you supported, that you have to learn how to close out games. Which is made up nonsense
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Sep 12, 2017 3:11pm
So everything coaches say are talking points and nothing else matters except for talent? That's how fucking dumb your argument sounds right now. Coaches practice the 2 min drill all of the time, but yeah coaches talking about closing out games is the same thing as them throwing out cliches such as "it's the size of the dog."kizer permanente;1871380 wrote:And it's all talking points for " you gotta be better then the guy you're playing against ". It all comes down to talent. You don't execute without talent. You sure as hell don't do it very often against someone better than you
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Sep 12, 2017 3:11pm
It's absolutely not made up nonsense. Teams drill this in practice every day. How dense can you be?kizer permanente;1871381 wrote:And this tangent is taking focus off the comment BR made, and you supported, that you have to learn how to close out games. Which is made up nonsense
Commander of Awesome
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Sep 12, 2017 3:12pm
They also do RZ drills, but I guess that doesn't matter either....like_that;1871384 wrote:It's absolutely not made up nonsense. Teams drill this in practice every day. How dense can you be?
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Sep 12, 2017 3:13pm
So, again, tell me how teams learn to close out games.like_that;1871384 wrote:It's absolutely not made up nonsense. Teams drill this in practice every day. How dense can you be?
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Sep 12, 2017 3:14pm
No that's just bullshit coaches throw down your throat. Football comes down to who is better. WOW, Kizer solved football ladies and gentlemen!Commander of Awesome;1871385 wrote:They also do RZ drills, but I guess that doesn't matter either....
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Sep 12, 2017 3:15pm
Commander of Awesome;1871385 wrote:They also do RZ drills, but I guess that doesn't matter either....
So the browns don't practice this?like_that;1871387 wrote:No that's just bullshit coaches throw down your throat. Football comes down to who is better. WOW, Kizer solved football ladies and gentlemen!
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Sep 12, 2017 3:16pm
I am sure they do, but they sure as hell haven't executed it that well the last 10+ years.kizer permanente;1871388 wrote:So the browns don't practice this?