Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 11, 2017 9:27am
Looting in Florida before the storm … looting in Houston before residents could get back to their homes
You loot I shoot
During this time of devastation, how far should property owner rights/ authority have to protect their property?
You loot I shoot
During this time of devastation, how far should property owner rights/ authority have to protect their property?
salto
Posts: 2,611
Sep 11, 2017 10:06am
Belly35;1871104 wrote:Looting in Florida before the storm … looting in Houston before residents could get back to their homes
You loot I shoot
During this time of devastation, how far should property owner rights/ authority have to protect their property?
Hopefully the home/business owners are more focused on their personal well being than material things. This is why home/businesses owners have insurance.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Sep 11, 2017 1:59pm
I think if you're alive without being on machines, then your well-being is fine. Then the focus is on getting back to your home and saving as many things as you can, building a new home. In the interim, looters take the risk and therefore any consequences that result from that risk.
I don't even know if Fla. and Texas have "castle laws" and too lazy to dig it up. Cheers!
I don't even know if Fla. and Texas have "castle laws" and too lazy to dig it up. Cheers!
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 11, 2017 6:34pm
So you Just basically condone looting?salto;1871117 wrote:Hopefully the home/business owners are more focused on their personal well being than material things. This is why home/businesses owners have insurance.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 11, 2017 6:46pm
Certainly do not condone allowing citizens to just "shoot away" at looters. This isn't a lawless society. That being said, if you loot during natural disasters, you're a piece of shit.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Sep 11, 2017 7:19pm
I 100% condone it. If you're dumb enough to loot/ rob a business at all, regardless of a storm, you deserve what you get.SportsAndLady;1871200 wrote:Certainly do not condone allowing citizens to just "shoot away" at looters. This isn't a lawless society. That being said, if you loot during natural disasters, you're a piece of shit.
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 11, 2017 7:37pm
I don't think someone who steals sneakers deserves death loliclfan2;1871204 wrote:I 100% condone it. If you're dumb enough to loot/ rob a business at all, regardless of a storm, you deserve what you get.
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iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Sep 11, 2017 7:57pm
Ehh to each his own. If it were my own business I'd easily shoot. If you try to steal from hard working Americans I don't care what happens to you
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Sep 11, 2017 8:05pm
I meant more people going out and shooting people who are looting.iclfan2;1871206 wrote:Ehh to each his own. If it were my own business I'd easily shoot. If you try to steal from hard working Americans I don't care what happens to you
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If a business owner is in his business and someone breaks in and steals, shoot away
Bio-Hazzzzard
Posts: 1,027
Sep 11, 2017 8:13pm
Don't loot and don't take the chance of getting shot, easy decision. Taking advantage of a disaster to make personal gain of others belongings is a choice made by a pos. If my family or myself are intruded by looters I would shoot, they have no business at my home but to commit a crime.SportsAndLady;1871205 wrote:I don't think someone who steals sneakers deserves death lol
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 11, 2017 8:14pm
If you don't want shot.....don't steal sneakers. Last time I checked the law doesn't care what you are stealingSportsAndLady;1871205 wrote:I don't think someone who steals sneakers deserves death lol
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Sep 11, 2017 8:50pm
Like tax payers' money, teaching gym! :RpS_flapper:Spock;1871215 wrote:Last time I checked the law doesn't care what you are stealing
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Zunardo
Posts: 370
Sep 11, 2017 9:26pm
As of 2014, Texas did have a law on the books authorizing deadly force to protect "land or tangible, movable property" - not sure how restrictive the fine print makes, though:CenterBHSFan;1871150 wrote:I think if you're alive without being on machines, then your well-being is fine. Then the focus is on getting back to your home and saving as many things as you can, building a new home. In the interim, looters take the risk and therefore any consequences that result from that risk.
I don't even know if Fla. and Texas have "castle laws" and too lazy to dig it up. Cheers!
http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-9-42.html
Every since seeing that movie "The Perfect Guy", I'm wondering if you're a store owner in your store, someone breaks the window and enters, you fire a shotgun with beanbag round (supposedly that's a warning shot), then you fire again with live buckshot when they keep going.
Or suppose you play a recording that sounds like the ED-209 that says, "Stop looting or I will use deadly force - you have 3 seconds to comply", then fire away when they don't. Are you in the clear for having giving sufficient notice?
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Sep 11, 2017 9:38pm
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1
Texas pretty much let's you shoot anyone committing a crime (rightfully so, whether your property or not). Not sure what you're talking about with bean bags (end up killed) or some recording. People know they're being a piece of shit, they don't need a warning to know they might die doing so
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Texas pretty much let's you shoot anyone committing a crime (rightfully so, whether your property or not). Not sure what you're talking about with bean bags (end up killed) or some recording. People know they're being a piece of shit, they don't need a warning to know they might die doing so
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Zunardo
Posts: 370
Sep 12, 2017 6:59am
You're right, but it never hurts to be polite and go the extra mile first - doesn't anyone watch Robocop anymore?iclfan2;1871222 wrote: Not sure what you're talking about with ........ some recording. People know they're being a piece of shit, they don't need a warning to know they might die doing so
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justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 12, 2017 8:53am
I'd follow these guys lead. I'd make it very clear that you're going to win a stupid prize if you play a stupid game at my store.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 12, 2017 11:13am
lulzZunardo;1871262 wrote:You're right, but it never hurts to be polite and go the extra mile first - doesn't anyone watch Robocop anymore?
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salto
Posts: 2,611
Sep 12, 2017 11:23am
Nope.Spock;1871199 wrote:So you Just basically condone looting?
salto
Posts: 2,611
Sep 12, 2017 11:24am
Typical Trump gun fanatic. They are thankful for a reason to legally shoot someone.Spock;1871215 wrote:If you don't want shot.....don't steal sneakers. Last time I checked the law doesn't care what you are stealing
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 12, 2017 11:27am
Fuck the legal system, let's just commit murder.
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I love the OC!
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 12, 2017 11:32am
Well, it can technically be considered defensive force, i.e. not murder legally, depending on your location.Automatik;1871297 wrote:Fuck the legal system, let's just commit murder.
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That said, the threat of force is likely enough to dissuade looters. Most reasonable people would agree, dying/killing over a new tv or a pair of sneakers just isn't worth it.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Sep 12, 2017 11:43am
Pretty easy defence. Someone comes in your business or home and you shoot them. Pretty simple to claim self defense. You act like the shooter is the only one at fault heresalto;1871295 wrote:Typical Trump gun fanatic. They are thankful for a reason to legally shoot someone.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Sep 12, 2017 11:44am
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if some of yahoo's in this thread would shoot a guy in the face for stealing a pack of Juicy Fruit. Which I would agree is absurd.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Sep 12, 2017 1:30pm
A sixer of really good beer, OTOH...justincredible;1871302 wrote:Now, I wouldn't be surprised if some of yahoo's in this thread would shoot a guy in the face for stealing a pack of Juicy Fruit. Which I would agree is absurd.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 12, 2017 2:23pm
Bio-H how is everything, is there anything I or donation support the OC can do to help. I really dont care about you but those guns and that range on your property i have feeling for...hahahahBio-Hazzzzard;1871214 wrote:Don't loot and don't take the chance of getting shot, easy decision. Taking advantage of a disaster to make personal gain of others belongings is a choice made by a pos. If my family or myself are intruded by looters I would shoot, they have no business at my home but to commit a crime.
How are the wife and kids doing, hope you get back home and not much damage has been done. Take care friend...