salto;1871295 wrote:Typical Trump gun fanatic. They are thankful for a reason to legally shoot someone.

Thankful not really but appreciate the opportunity to shoot rather than loot… it’s a matter of choice

Belly35;1871361 wrote:Thankful not really but appreciate the opportunity to shoot rather than loot… it’s a matter of choice

What is the difference between being thankful and appreciative?

justincredible;1871302 wrote:Now, I wouldn't be surprised if some of yahoo's in this thread would shoot a guy in the face for stealing a pack of Juicy Fruit. Which I would agree is absurd.

Belly35;1871358 wrote:Bio-H how is everything, is there anything I or donation support the OC can do to help. I really dont care about you but those guns and that range on your property i have feeling for...hahahah How are the wife and kids doing, hope you get back home and not much damage has been done. Take care friend...

Rode the storm out, we are good. The keys were hit the worst, the citizens who fled aren't allowed back in yet. I personally had downed trees and minimal shingle damage utilized yesterday to clean up and today to gather supplies and fix shingles. No looters out my way the city folks think we are gun toting rednecks which makes property crime minimal.

salto;1871432 wrote:

post of the day here

ernest_t_bass;1871220 wrote:Like tax payers' money, teaching gym! :RpS_flapper:

Got him.

Ideally, if someone is trying to steal something from you, and you tell him, "Stop or I'll shoot!" I'm guessing that will be sufficient in most cases.

I'm all for protecting person and private property using "necessary force." I don't really think that warrants bullets flying as a first course of action. As such, I'm not opposed to using lethal force to stop looters, but only if that is the absolute only way to prevent the theft.

O-Trap;1871653 wrote: As such, I'm not opposed to using lethal force to stop looters, but only if that is the absolute only way to prevent the theft.

Does it matter if you are not under threat?

salto;1871656 wrote:Does it matter if you are not under threat?

You mean does it matter if they're not threatening my life? Do I necessarily know they're not going to kill me? I mean, they've shown no real concern for anything else of mine to that point. If they're in my house or business stealing my things, all I really know of them is that they don't respect my property. Doesn't seem like a titanic stretch to think they might not think that much of my life, though it doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion, either.

I'm inclined to say it doesn't matter if they're not actively threatening me. I don't think I'd shoot anyone for looting anything of mine in a natural disaster, but I'd wager that the police will probably have their hands full already if we're talking the middle of a hurricane. What would you suggest as an alternative to using lethal force (only if necessary) and calling the police (who, as I said, probably already have their hands full)?

O-Trap;1871657 wrote: What would you suggest as an alternative to using lethal force (only if necessary) and calling the police (who, as I said, probably already have their hands full)?

Non-lethal force.

Hope this helps.

salto;1871786 wrote:Non-lethal force.

Hope this helps.

Let's hope the other person isn't armed and willing to shoot back. We can cross our fingers and bet on it, right?

Let's be honest here.

Millions of people have guns. Not very many actively go to a range and maintain weapons competency.

Match that with the nerves and guts it would take to pull the trigger there is a pretty good chance most times a shot isn't going to hit its intended target and likely just scare them.

Firing weapons isn't as easy as they make it seem on TV/movies where someone can pick one up who hasn't or rarely has fired and put two in the chest and one in the head.

O-Trap;1871787 wrote:Let's hope the other person isn't armed and willing to shoot back. We can cross our fingers and bet on it, right?

We were talking about preventing looters, right? If someone has their hands full while looting, I doubt they are also shooting back.

thavoice;1871788 wrote:Let's be honest here.

Millions of people have guns. Not very many actively go to a range and maintain weapons competency.

Match that with the nerves and guts it would take to pull the trigger there is a pretty good chance most times a shot isn't going to hit its intended target and likely just scare them.

Firing weapons isn't as easy as they make it seem on TV/movies where someone can pick one up who hasn't or rarely has fired and put two in the chest and one in the head.

This. A blast of rubber pellets from a shot gun will be more effective against looters than a single bullet fired from a handgun.

salto;1871793 wrote:This. A blast of rubber pellets from a shot gun will be more effective against looters than a single bullet fired from a handgun.

What happens after you blast them with rubber? Do they run or turn their own weapon with live rounds back on you? I guess that's the chance you would have to take.

salto;1871792 wrote:We were talking about preventing looters, right? If someone has their hands full while looting, I doubt they are also shooting back.

Yeah, if they were confronted, they'd certainly never drop what was in their hands and reach for a gun. That would just be insanity.

salto;1871793 wrote:This. A blast of rubber pellets from a shot gun will be more effective against looters than a single bullet fired from a handgun.

And a lead bird shot from a shot gun will be more effective than rubber pellets. If you are interested in looting my house, I am not interested in you living anymore. It's pretty simple.

Bio-Hazzzzard;1871795 wrote:What happens after you blast them with rubber? Do they run or turn their own weapon with live rounds back on you? I guess that's the chance you would have to take.

Great advice on what to do next.

Oops, I mis-spoke. He can't advise you to do that, but he can tell a story while having a cup of coffee with a friend.

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Bio-Hazzzzard;1871795 wrote:What happens after you blast them with rubber? Do they run or turn their own weapon with live rounds back on you? I guess that's the chance you would have to take.

Yup. If you're sure they have their own weapons with live rounds, its a choice you'll have to make.

The number of people in this thread fantasizing about shooting a looter is a little disturbing....

A looter has a 50/50 chance of getting shot while unlawfully entering a persons home, their chances become 100% if they enter my home. I'm not going to risk my families life to wait and see if he's packing heat. Each to his own

gut;1871884 wrote:The number of people in this thread fantasizing about shooting a looter is a little disturbing....

If you tell a looter to get the hell out chances are he will get away with it and loot elsewhere. Put a hole in him and he has no choice but go to a hospital where he will certainly be detained by the local 5/0. I don't want to shoot anyone, however, I certainly an not taking any chances of myself or family taking a bullet first.

Bio-Hazzzzard;1871887 wrote:If you tell a looter to get the hell out chances are he will get away with it and loot elsewhere.

That's great. You'll spend $1000 patching bullet holes and cleaning blood to keep him from looting somewhere else. Hopefully you'd have no lasting trauma from it, but I'd just assume not having to live with killing someone.

gut;1871888 wrote:That's great. You'll spend $1000 patching bullet holes and cleaning blood to keep him from looting somewhere else. Hopefully you'd have no lasting trauma from it, but I'd just assume not having to live with killing someone.

You left out the part where I said I don't want to shoot anyone. I'm not some trigger happy redneck nor do I ever want to be faced with pulling the trigger on someone. Yes it would bug me I'm assuming till the day I get laid to rest but it sure would traumatize me a lot more if my wife or daughter were killed. I don't believe anyone involved in this thread is chomping at the bit to whack someone, once again, that includes myself.

Bio-Hazzzzard;1871887 wrote:If you tell a looter to get the hell out chances are he will get away with it and loot elsewhere. Put a hole in him and he has no choice but go to a hospital where he will certainly be detained by the local 5/0. I don't want to shoot anyone, however, I certainly an not taking any chances of myself or family taking a bullet first.

If you live in a place where you're being looted, may want to consider moving. Sounds like a pretty shitty neighborhood.

salto;1871903 wrote:If you live in a place where you're being looted, may want to consider moving. Sounds like a pretty shitty neighborhood.

Looters don't go to the poor peoples section of town during a natural disaster. The wealthy are prime targets in these types of circumstances, don't understand your logic here.