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I just happened across this in a group I'm in on Facebook. I appreciated it, and I thought it might be worth posting here.
One of the worst parts about being an admin on this group is how often we have to delete obvious fake news articles from the moderation queue. It's really disappointing, to be frank. So, I think it's time for another post about fake news.
FAKE NEWS IS NOT:



  • Something you disagree with
  • Something Donald Trump disagrees with
  • Something whose source has a political alignment you disagree with


HOW TO IDENTIFY ACTUAL FAKE NEWS:




  • No author, or an author who is obviously not a real person. If you Google the name and nothing comes up except for the site you're on, that's a huge red flag. Real journalists, even those who write pseudonymously, have much larger internet footprints than a single site. Remington Democratslayer is not a journalist. He is a fake person invented to string along gullible ideologues.
  • Published by a non-transparent organization without an editorial review board. Real news does not hide from scrutiny. The fact that the only "news" organizations claiming that the government is guarding the skeletons of the Nephilim in a secret compound underneath the Smithsonian Institute have absolutely no transparency, no editorial review, and make claims that cannot possibly be verified is a pretty good sign that you're being lied to.
  • No date. This tactic serves two purposes. First, it prevents people from dismissing it as "old news" so that it can be circulated again in the future. Second, it prevents people from checking it against other sources publishing on the same topic at around the same time.
  • No sources cited (or circular citations to other articles from the same or similar sources). This shouldn't even need to be said, but apparently it does. If your article about the UN admitting that it is hiding Osama Bin Laden from the US military doesn't even have a link to where a UN spokesperson supposedly makes that admission, it isn't real. It didn't happen. It is a lie. It. Is. Fake. News. SERIOUSLY WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SHARING THIS STUFF. |
  • Poor writing. Yeah I know the standards for writing in journalism have gone downhill lately, but if the site you're reading clearly doesn't even have a copy editor capable of catching. Sentence fragments, misppelings, and ovbious typos. And frequent misuse's, of apostrophe's, and comma's, you know something is horribly wrong with that site. Or at least, you should.
  • Finally, if the article says something that you really, really want to be true—be skeptical. In fact, the more you want it to be true, the more skeptical you should be.

And now back to your regularly scheduled sharing of articles that are OBVIOUSLY true, and the only reason there is absolutely no evidence that they are true is because of a huge conspiracy to hide all the evidence, of which conspiracy there is also no evidence because that is also being suppressed, but if only we'd do the work of reading dozens of long, rambling rants from websites like realtrueconservativefacts.com and watching hours of videos by obscure YouTubers with names like IlluminatiKilledJFK, we'd TOTALLY be on your side.


While the examples he gave certainly don't apply to every political ideology, this seems like a pretty good list.
Jul 12, 2017 1:40pm
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O-Trap;1862201 wrote:While the examples he gave certainly don't apply to every political ideology, this seems like a pretty good list.
I was going to mention that it only applies to one lol
Jul 12, 2017 2:04pm
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CenterBHSFan;1862215 wrote:I was going to mention that it only applies to one lol
Eh ... one and a half. ;)

I don't know too many Republicans who admit to believing that the "government is guarding the skeletons of the Nephilim in a secret compound underneath the Smithsonian Institute." That sounds mostly like what you'd hear from either a Libertarian, one of the varieties of anarchism, or just a plain whackadoo.

However, I can only think of one party whose members might tout an article written by someone named Remington Democratslayer. :D
Jul 12, 2017 2:28pm
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O-Trap;1862232 wrote:I don't know too many Republicans who admit to believing that the "government is guarding the skeletons of the Nephilim in a secret compound underneath the Smithsonian Institute." That sounds mostly like what you'd hear from either a Libertarian, one of the varieties of anarchism, or just a plain whackadoo.
I'd say either white or green flag
Jul 12, 2017 2:45pm
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O-Trap;1862201 wrote: While the examples he gave certainly don't apply to every political ideology, this seems like a pretty good list.
Especially the "if it's something you really want to be true, be extra skeptical". I see so much stuff people re-post from Facebook, particular memes, that immediately set-off the "BS meter" and can usually be disproven with about 30 seconds in a google search.

It all makes it pretty clear that the news sucks because people don't demand better of it.

Although I'd take issue about the "lack of dates" on the list referenced - I find a lot of articles, usually when looking for tech how-to's, that don't have dates. And it's very frustrating to know if the tips are current for hardware and software.
Jul 13, 2017 8:28pm
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gut;1862471 wrote:Especially the "if it's something you really want to be true, be extra skeptical". I see so much stuff people re-post from Facebook, particular memes, that immediately set-off the "BS meter" and can usually be disproven with about 30 seconds in a google search.

It all makes it pretty clear that the news sucks because people don't demand better of it.

Although I'd take issue about the "lack of dates" on the list referenced - I find a lot of articles, usually when looking for tech how-to's, that don't have dates. And it's very frustrating to know if the tips are current for hardware and software.
I don't know if he intended to say that the absence of dates is a 100% guarantee that it's not real, but I HAVE seen this before. An untrue story goes viral and is circulated. It falls out of relevance, but a couple years later, it makes a comeback, and the same article gets circulated. Since there's no date listed, if a person sees it shared, they'll assume that the article is recent, even if that isn't the case.

That's far less likely if the date is listed. This is all not to mention the fact that most news sources that are at least attempting to be credible do include dates in actual news stories.
Jul 13, 2017 8:41pm
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O-Trap;1862474 wrote: That's far less likely if the date is listed. This is all not to mention the fact that most news sources that are at least attempting to be credible do include dates in actual news stories.
I agree, and I'm sure those blogs/support sites omit the date for the same reason. I realize a news article is something a bit different, I just don't think a date is particularly telling, especially when a date can be edited and resubmitted.
Jul 13, 2017 9:55pm
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My issue is the fake headline. Fir instance, the LA Times had an article with headline "Hackers steal credit card info from guests at 14 Trump hotels." The actual story was about a vendor that serviced 32,000 hotels but the headline is bring used by leftists to make it a "haha stupid drumpf" story.
Jul 14, 2017 10:55pm
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gut;1862486 wrote:I agree, and I'm sure those blogs/support sites omit the date for the same reason. I realize a news article is something a bit different, I just don't think a date is particularly telling, especially when a date can be edited and resubmitted.
If that's the ONLY issue, yeah, it's probably not a deal-breaker.
Jul 16, 2017 12:47am
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LOL!
Jul 21, 2017 2:20pm
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Headline on my news feed just came along that "FBI raids Manaforte home". It was Reuters regurgitating a WaPo article. The link/article itself correctly said "raided", but I thought this was pretty ridiculous.
Aug 9, 2017 4:15pm
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gut;1866040 wrote:Headline on my news feed just came along that "FBI raids Manaforte home". It was Reuters regurgitating a WaPo article. The link/article itself correctly said "raided", but I thought this was pretty ridiculous.
Home-cooked, American sensationalism. You gotta love it.
Aug 9, 2017 11:52pm
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ppaw1999;1866469 wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-media-framed-wrong-person-in-car-attack-labeled-him-anti-trump-druggie

Scary how easily some people can be duped. Too many people want to believe what fits their narrative instead of waiting for the facts.
"Prominent alt right media..." I suppose it could be, but I've never heard of either.

Of course, most people never heard of alt right until last August when the media decided it would be it's new catch-all racist label for anyone who disagreed with the liberal agenda.
Aug 13, 2017 1:25pm
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Alt right for racism and Trump



James Alex Fields Jr., left, in a crowd of white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday. Hours later, the police say, he killed a 32-year-old woman and injured 19 other people by driving a car into a line of other cars.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html
Aug 13, 2017 4:32pm
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Aug 13, 2017 4:34pm
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isadore;1866491 wrote:Alt right for racism and Trump



James Alex Fields Jr., left, in a crowd of white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday. Hours later, the police say, he killed a 32-year-old woman and injured 19 other people by driving a car into a line of other cars.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html



I heard Trump is going to pardon him.
Aug 16, 2017 11:30am
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QuakerOats;1866963 wrote:I heard Trump is going to pardon him.
Of course he will need is vote in 2020.
Aug 16, 2017 1:43pm
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gut

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I will say....they look a lot less retarded not pretending kicking metal doesn't hurt....
Aug 17, 2017 2:08am
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CNN just suggested that Barcelona “could be a Charlottesville copycat.”

So that happened. : thumbup:
Aug 17, 2017 8:47pm
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Look at that horribly oversized undershirt and giant coffee stain. Does the alt-right have no standards?!?
Aug 17, 2017 8:55pm