gut;1867949 wrote:Because it was just WAYYYYY cooler to drag it out of the bottom of a lake with huge naval chains

I mean, honestly I don't care. The show still entertains me. I'm just pointing out there's way more things to be upset about than the travel. The show still kicks ass. The Walking Dead should have taken notes years ago.

kizer permanente;1867941 wrote:Fuck the travel. Where did the white walkers get those god damn chains for the dragon. I know they're not just marching with that around their neck.

There are docks at Hardhome, they are Naval chains.

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superman;1868025 wrote:There are docks at Hardhome, they are Naval chains.

In some respects, it helps the timeline if you assume they sent hordes back (at undead marching pace) to get those giant chains. Of course, preparing to take on a wall they may have been towing around those chains to begin with.

I don't think anyone is deeply troubled by things like this, but part of what made GoT great was such issues were set-up and explained in great detail. Now they've run out of time and have gone more "24" style playing pretty fast and loose and letting the viewer imagine the how/where/etc.

This season, in terms of writing and story, is clearly not nearly the same level as the prior seasons. That's out of necessity. Doesn't make it less entertaining - everything else is done in typical HBO fashion with no rival outside studio movie productions.

superman;1868025 wrote:There are docks at Hardhome, they are Naval chains.

I appreciate an explanation that fits.....but to be perfectly honest, the ships we've seen are like "Christopher Columbus" class and mooring with 4" ropes (i.e. a rope about as thick as your fist) would probably be overkill.

They had no 500+ foot steel plated Destroyers that anchor with chains as thick as your arm. Way bigger than anchor chains you could manage without hydraulic machinery. IMO, the chains they're dragging "look" like they'd be about 200 lbs per sqft and there's just nothing in that universe that would need anything like that (unless a dragon tether for something like Drogon).

If we're going to nitpick....

Laley23;1868029 wrote:What is it, before I click on a spoiler?

A fan theory about the Night King setting a trap for Jon.

superman;1868039 wrote:A fan theory about the Night King setting a trap for Jon.

It's interesting and makes a lot of sense. But it seems to make a lot of assumptions we've never seen. Maybe from the books, I don't know.

I just don't think the Night King lays traps and sets ambushes because he seems invincible and invulnerable. Of course, he WAS beaten before. So maybe he is laying down some strategery.

Just not clear to me he's another "greenseer" like Bran. I always just thought he had some sort of magical sixth. If he can see the future, then he's unbeatable. Even if he can see the past, like Bran, he'd be unbeatable. To me the simple explanation is Jon took out a scouting party. Night King has been walking around with that spear since we first saw him.

superman;1868025 wrote:There are docks at Hardhome, they are Naval chains.

Ahh.. I can buy that. My point, though, was none of this stuff is really bothersome and its still a great show.

Slower episode, but good nonetheless. Glad the Arya/Sansa story is wrapped up. I thought the last scene was visually underwhelming. Not impressed by what they did with the dragon.

Pretty meh finale.

Set up the last season well, but nothing really major happened tonight.

Now we wait, what? 2 years for the final season? Ugh

SportsAndLady;1868965 wrote:Pretty meh finale.

Set up the last season well, but nothing really major happened tonight.

Seriously?!? I thought it was fantastic. As flawless and well-executed as any GoT episode. And Arya dicing Littlefinger wasn't major?!?

Thought Cersei's speech about banding together was awesome....and my dumbass bought it hook, line and sinker.

I don't really understand what happened with Jaimie at the end - she appeared to give the execution order but Jaimie just walks off? It doesn't matter if YOU believe her, but whether Undead Mountain does. It SMELLS like a plot device for Jaimie to bring the majority of the troops in aid, without betraying Cersei the character.

I just hope there won't be a major battle with the Night King on Popsicle Viserion vs. Dany on Drogon.

Also, I'm guessing book readers (I'm not one) are going to be ultra-pissed about the "Aegon" cheat. Could have done without the Aunt-Nephew hookup. But what was with Tyrion creeping?

GOONx19;1868962 wrote:I thought the last scene was visually underwhelming. Not impressed by what they did with the dragon.

I guess they had to bring down the wall - GoT has always avoided the cheap cliffhangers. Feels like they could have done that while leaving more to the imagination.

I thought it would have been more impactful to show the ice dragon in another way and leave it at that. Not sure why, but seeing the Night King riding the ice dragon just disappointing.

It was fine finale. I expected way more plot and the yadda yadda on Jon's true reveal was annoying.

Unless each episode is 90 minutes, I have no idea how they are going to squeeze all the plot left into 6 episodes.
The war with the Ice King will last what, 2-3 episodes, then we still have the war with Cersei, and still the world needs to learn the true history of Jon.

ptown_trojans_1;1868997 wrote:It was fine finale. I expected way more plot and the yadda yadda on Jon's true reveal was annoying.

Unless each episode is 90 minutes, I have no idea how they are going to squeeze all the plot left into 6 episodes.
The war with the Ice King will last what, 2-3 episodes, then we still have the war with Cersei, and still the world needs to learn the true history of Jon.

That's kinda why I thought the finale was meh.

Not that it was a bad or boring episode, it just left too many storylines open for having just 6 episodes left. I'm starting to think there isn't going to be a war for the iron throne. I feel the last season will be defeating the white walkers, and then they'll just kinda settle for "living" rather than keep fighting for an irrelevant iron throne.

SportsAndLady;1869001 wrote:That's kinda why I thought the finale was meh.

Not that it was a bad or boring episode, it just left too many storylines open for having just 6 episodes left. I'm starting to think there isn't going to be a war for the iron throne. I feel the last season will be defeating the white walkers, and then they'll just kinda settle for "living" rather than keep fighting for an irrelevant iron throne.

Yeah, I mean, You just opened up a new can of worms with Jon (Aegon) and his Aunt Dany falling in love and now we know Jon is the rightful heir so theres a conflict there.. and Cersei is still plotting against them... 6 episode isn't enough to clean this mess up appropriately. At least Littlefinger is dead tho.

They are likely to be feature length episodes. I'd venture a guess final season will be 10 hours.

I thought the finale was good. Didn't mind the cliffhanger, we know what is coming - I don't even really consider it a cliffhanger.

I agree, how are they going to wrap this all up in 6 episodes? I really believed that this season would wrap up either the throne of the WW and next season would be the other. Maybe the shock us all and we don't even get to the battle of the throne?

If they are going to attempt to wrap it all up...these are going to be some action packed, bad ass episodes...

Also, anyone else thinking that Daenerys is going to get knocked up by Jon? They've seemed to focus on the "I can't get pregnant" thing a few times now.

Jon would be the baby's daddy and first cousin. Haha. So much incest....

SportsAndLady;1869001 wrote:...it just left too many storylines open for having just 6 episodes left.

I'm wondering what major issues aren't going to be really addressed. The more they don't answer the less issues it will be when GRRM brings out his next book.

To me, killing Littlefinger is justice and revenge for the guy who put all this in motion - in terms of the first season that story arc, arguably THE story arc, is over. Final season can be all WW, and I'd be satisfied as long as they kill Cersei along the way. Don't really care if it's Jon or Dany on the throne (or someone else). Never cared about Sansa.

SnotBubbles;1869026 wrote: Jon would be the baby's daddy and first cousin. Haha. So much incest....

When is Bran going to do something useful with his powers other than looking at old wedding photos?

kizer permanente;1869002 wrote:Yeah, I mean, You just opened up a new can of worms with Jon (Aegon) and his Aunt Dany falling in love and now we know Jon is the rightful heir so theres a conflict there..

Or them getting married and having a baby conveniently/quickly solves a lot of problems.

More likely the Iron Throne, if not the entirety of King's Landing, is going to be destroyed (Dany did have that vision) in the war with the WW.

gut;1869040 wrote:Or them getting married and having a baby conveniently/quickly solves a lot of problems.

More likely the Iron Throne, if not the entirety of King's Landing, is going to be destroyed (Dany did have that vision) in the war with the WW.

Ok. But Queens don't rule. Jon would as King. Dany would just be his wife. You didn't solve it.

kizer permanente;1869044 wrote:Ok. But Queens don't rule. Jon would as King. Dany would just be his wife. You didn't solve it.

It would be solved in the sense that their 12 fingered, mentally retarded incest baby would be the rightful heir to the throne.