friendfromlowry;1859753 wrote:At this point, what does everyone think will happen over the next 48 hours with the Cavs -
A) Everything stays the same
B) They land another star
C) They make a/some move/s but nothing as significant as we've discussed.

I think they land another star. But I think it comes at a steep price that we aren't exactly thrilled with.

Everything stays the same is my guess. Also fuck Gilbert for not retaining Griffin.

Where's OB1?

friendfromlowry;1859751 wrote:Disagree with all of this.

If Butler came here, he and Kyrie would make a pretty good duo. If Lebron left, why would Butler/Kyrie leave if the other is still around? Assuming GSW stays intact, what's the point of going out west unless you're joining another super team. Might as well remain in the east.

My bad, maybe I should have said Kyrie MAY want out...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-kyrie-irving-may-force-a-trade-out-of-cleveland-if-lebron-leaves-cavs-in-2018/

All-Star Kyrie Irving has been contacting some of his former Team USA teammates and letting them know that he might be willing to push for a trade, especially if he feels the Cavs' run could end quickly with James able to opt out after next season.

sportswizuhrd;1859762 wrote:My bad, maybe I should have said Kyrie MAY want out...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-kyrie-irving-may-force-a-trade-out-of-cleveland-if-lebron-leaves-cavs-in-2018/

This all seems to have originated from Joe Cowley, a sports columnist for the Chicago Sun Times. He doesn't appear to have a Twitter, but everyone is still killing him on there anyways. Tuesday morning it was all about Butler pushing to be traded. Fast forward like eight hours and Butler doesn't want to be traded, AND Irving is telling his Team USA buddies he might want to be traded. No one has any fucking idea what they're talking about. Also, what Team USA teammates? There were 11 besides Irving, three of which are on the Warriors. Lowry is a free agent. I don't think he's joining up with Barnes in Dallas or 'Melo in New York. IMO, it reeks of bullshit and this guy just trying to get attention.

friendfromlowry;1859753 wrote:At this point, what does everyone think will happen over the next 48 hours with the Cavs -
A) Everything stays the same
B) They land another star
C) They make a/some move/s but nothing as significant as we've discussed.

Everything stays the same (hopefully). With Dan Gilbert involved with these personnel decisions, I really don't want them to make a move.

DG really screwed the pooch. He's given Lebron his "out" if he wants it.

It's funny how within a 72 hour period a franchise can go from one of the best organizations in the NBA to a Browns-like dysfunction (Cowley).

I'm confused..what is so dysfunctional about the cavs right now?

All because we didn't re-sign a GM?

SportsAndLady;1859778 wrote:I'm confused..what is so dysfunctional about the cavs right now?

All because we didn't re-sign a GM?

The general view around the league, from what I've seen, is that the current view is dysfunctional. Plus, "sources" like Joe Cowley aren't helping the situation.

I haven't seen anyone (nationally) come out and defend Gilbert. Sure, it's "his team" and he can do what he wants with it but this is a Jimmy Haslam-like move, in many peoples view.

BR1986FB;1859779 wrote:The general view around the league, from what I've seen, is that the current view is dysfunctional. Plus, "sources" like Joe Cowley aren't helping the situation.

I haven't seen anyone (nationally) come out and defend Gilbert. Sure, it's "his team" and he can do what he wants with it but this is a Jimmy Haslam-like move, in many peoples view.

Okay you just compared the cavs to the damn Browns lol and then when asked what is so dysfunctional about the cavs, your answer is "the general view around the league is they're dysfunctional"?

If you're going to compare someone to the Browns, you better have some examples at the very least.

SportsAndLady;1859780 wrote:Okay you just compared the cavs to the damn Browns lol and then when asked what is so dysfunctional about the cavs, your answer is "the general view around the league is they're dysfunctional"?

If you're going to compare someone to the Browns, you better have some examples at the very least.

Right from the city you live in....

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/sources-out-of-cleveland-say-jimmy-butler-will-push-for-trade-to-cavs/

Classyposter58;1859729 wrote:They'll bounce back, they've had one of the best franchises in the NBA here the last 20-30 years

1. No, no they have not been one of the best franchises in the NBA the last 20-30 years. You need to get out of Detroit and get away from the crack.

2. Just two years ago you pretty much said the same thing about how the Pistons are an up and coming young franchise. With the direction the East is moving toward, the Pistons are a limbo team with a ceiling of a 2nd round exit for the next 5-7 years. Enjoy!

The Pistons the last 9 years below. Lebron left Cleveland in complete disarray, came back, went to three finals, and won one of them. In all of that time, the Pistons have a first round sweep participation trophy to show for their up and coming franchise. Get a life.

2008–09	2008–09	Eastern	8th	Central	3rd	39	43	.476	27	Lost First Round (Cavaliers) 4–0
2009–10	2009–10	Eastern	12th	Central	5th	27	55	.329	34
2010–11	2010–11	Eastern	11th	Central	4th	30	52	.366	32
2011–12	2011–12	Eastern	10th	Central	4th	25	41	.379	25
2012–13	2012–13	Eastern	11th	Central	4th	29	53	.354	20.5
2013–14	2013–14	Eastern	11th	Central	4th	29	53	.354	27
2014–15	2014–15	Eastern	12th	Central	5th	32	50	.390	21
2015–16	2015–16	Eastern	8th	Central	3rd	44	38	.537	13	Lost First Round (Cavaliers) 4–0
2016–17	2016–17	Eastern	10th	Central	5th	37	45	.451	16

ernest_t_bass;1859761 wrote:Where's OB1?

This. Let's see you strike twice.

SportsAndLady;1859778 wrote:I'm confused..what is so dysfunctional about the cavs right now?

All because we didn't re-sign a GM?

Pretty much this. The media with Cleveland is going to be unbearable. We are going to see a lot of bullshit stories coming out. It will pretty much be like the love/LeBron/kyrie are unhappy stories the past 3 years on steroids. "Fake news" has been a popular term the last few months due to the election, but at least in the political spectrum they get called out for fake shit on both sides all the time. Sports media has been spewing fake bullshit for 10+ years now and they are wrong about 95% of the time. They are never held accountable and its fucking absurd. Remember when everyone said Love was leaving the Cavs and then he signed a 5 year deal the first day of FA? Those same people reporting that bullshit still have jobs and were never called out on it.

With that being said, this is the annoying part about Lebron and why I said I would not defend his douchiness when he returned. I am thankful he brought Cleveland a title, but his passive aggressive drama bullshit is and has always been fucking obnoxious. He could come out now and end all of this bullshit, but he won't because he loves the drama. I don't understand how he fails to realize this doesn't help his team at all.

BR1986FB;1859779 wrote:The general view around the league, from what I've seen, is that the current view is dysfunctional. Plus, "sources" like Joe Cowley aren't helping the situation.

I haven't seen anyone (nationally) come out and defend Gilbert. Sure, it's "his team" and he can do what he wants with it but this is a Jimmy Haslam-like move, in many peoples view.

So Cleveland radio said this? How would you or they know what the general view around the league? 90% of the league would love to be in the position that the Cavs are in. I will admit that Griffin leaving is not a very good look, but if you compare the Cavs ownership and FO to the rest of the league, they are no where near Browns dysfunctional or dysfunctional at all. Just pay attention to all the dumb shit teams in the NBA do. That's a ridiculous label by the media that is rooting for Lebron to leave Cleveland again. If the Cavs don't choke game 3 and somehow pull out the series, that entire trash narrative would be thrown on a pile of shit and burned.

BR1986FB;1859781 wrote:Right from the city you live in....

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/sources-out-of-cleveland-say-jimmy-butler-will-push-for-trade-to-cavs/

So a local hack trying to get clicks and doesn't want to see Butler leave Chicago is now 100% proof the Cavs are dysfunctional. Notice he doesn't reveal the source or "Cavs players." Why the fuck would Cavs players not want Jimmy to come to Cleveland to help them win a title.

This article is as pathetic as the "trouble in paradise article" that said the Warriors aren't getting along with each other and don't be surprise if they break up after year 1. Just pure garbage for clicks.

like_that;1859784 wrote:So a local hack trying to get clicks and doesn't want to see Butler leave Chicago is now 100% proof the Cavs are dysfunctional. Notice he doesn't reveal the source or "Cavs players." Why the fuck would Cavs players not want Jimmy to come to Cleveland to help them win a title.

This article is as pathetic as the "trouble in paradise article" that said the Warriors aren't getting along with each other and don't be surprise if they break up after year 1. Just pure garbage for clicks.

You beat me to it.

That article is just that dude covering his ass for announcing that the cavs were reaching out to Butler. That probably wasn't true, and now he's saying they're reaching back out to him to say don't come. It's all bullshit.

It also could be this guy putting out there that the cavs are a dysfunction to keep Butler in Chicago.

SportsAndLady;1859785 wrote:You beat me to it.

That article is just that dude covering his ass for announcing that the cavs were reaching out to Butler. That probably wasn't true, and now he's saying they're reaching back out to him to say don't come. It's all bullshit.

It also could be this guy putting out there that the cavs are a dysfunction to keep Butler in Chicago.

If anyone has been following how the media covers the NBA the last 10+ years and is being honest with themselves, they would know that 90% of the rumors are pure bullshit. For every rumor that you can show me turned out to be true, I can give you probably 10 (and this is being conservative) rumors that turned out to be pure bullshit. Come on guys, this isn't your first rodeo. Stop and think after you read these dumb ass articles.

like_that;1859786 wrote:If anyone has been following how the media covers the NBA the last 10+ years and is being honest with themselves, they would know that 90% of the rumors are pure bullshit. For every rumor that you can show me turned out to be true, I can give you probably 10 (and this is being conservative) rumors that turned out to be pure bullshit. Come on guys, this isn't your first rodeo. Stop and think after you read these dumb ass articles.

Which is why I was asking for actual examples of the cavs being dysfunctional. And BR responded exactly the way I thought he would: the media told him!

like_that;1859783 wrote:With that being said, this is the annoying part about Lebron and why I said I would not defend his douchiness when he returned. I am thankful he brought Cleveland a title, but his passive aggressive drama bullshit is and has always been fucking obnoxious. He could come out now and end all of this bullshit, but he won't because he loves the drama. I don't understand how he fails to realize this doesn't help his team at all.

Maybe he doesn't trust Gilbert one iota?

ernest_t_bass;1859795 wrote:Maybe he doesn't trust Gilbert one iota?

Gilbert isn't the GM lol

Gilbert is going to hire a GM.

SportsAndLady;1859796 wrote:Gilbert isn't the GM lol

Gilbert is going to hire a GM.

No shit... But he's at the top. He can overrule anyone he fuckign wants.

ernest_t_bass;1859797 wrote:No shit... But he's at the top. He can overrule anyone he fuckign wants.

Technically, yes he can.

But will he? You know for a fact?

ernest_t_bass;1859797 wrote:No shit... But he's at the top. He can overrule anyone he fuckign wants.

I am not referring to just now, Lebron has been this way forever. It's obnoxious.

SportsAndLady;1859798 wrote:Technically, yes he can.

But will he? You know for a fact?

What part of "maybe" in my original post shows me preaching fact?

SportsAndLady;1859794 wrote:Which is why I was asking for actual examples of the cavs being dysfunctional. And BR responded exactly the way I thought he would: the media told him!

Well, since the media is where we get the information, it's expected that's where we'd get it from.....unless you have an inside "source", which nobody on here does.

Also, hard to distrust Gilbert when that dude is/was willing to spend anything to win a title and pay Lebron's guys. The organization has done everything that Lebron has asked for. I think it's time to grow up and get over the letter if that is actually still an issue.

BR1986FB;1859801 wrote:Well, since the media is where we get the information, it's expected that's where we'd get it from.....unless you have an inside "source", which nobody on here does.

So, you're just going to trust every article like a blind sheep? Despite 90% of rumors being pure bullshit, there is absolutely no chance this guy is blowing smoke up your ass?

SportsAndLady;1859798 wrote:Technically, yes he can.

But will he? You know for a fact?

I think the danger is in hiring someone like Billups who has no front office experience. This team has a window of a few years to win championships. If you hire someone learning as they go, it makes it very hard to get the right people. LeBron playing GM also makes this a difficult job for a first time GM.