gut;1877669 wrote:As a guy who "stood" for racial equality, shouldn't Obama oppose the white-washing of his record?

But seriously, Trump is just incompetent. Obama was incompetent AND corrupt.

history doesnt write good chapters for either since they both have a feckless congress.

Spock;1877749 wrote:history doesnt write good chapters for either since they both have a feckless congress.

That's really kind of a cop-out. Remains to be seen if Trump will actually reach across the aisle, or if he'll be successful doing so. Obama didn't do that, and also had some of his own internal conflicts with his party.

But good Presidents are able to build bipartisan consensus to move things along. If Trump can't find 2-3 Dem votes in the Senate, then he's not 1/10th the negotiator he pretends to be.

gut;1877752 wrote:That's really kind of a cop-out. Remains to be seen if Trump will actually reach across the aisle, or if he'll be successful doing so. Obama didn't do that, and also had some of his own internal conflicts with his party.

But good Presidents are able to build bipartisan consensus to move things along. If Trump can't find 2-3 Dem votes in the Senate, then he's not 1/10th the negotiator he pretends to be.

So far his negotiation skills seems to be "rapid-fire firing of people" and "yelling at people to do what he wants". Which might work well when you own a company and have all the money and power, but not so well when you're part of a checks-and-balances government where you're little more than a glorified figurehead if you can't get the support of other branches in implementing your policies.

CNN debate between Cruz and Sanders.....Bernie is absolutely crazy. Does CNN think that putting him on to get drilled by Cruz helps their Dems?

Spock;1877937 wrote:Bernie is absolutely crazy.

so is trump

Spock;1877937 wrote:CNN debate between Cruz and Sanders.....Bernie is absolutely crazy. Does CNN think that putting him on to get drilled by Cruz helps their Dems?

I'm guessing liberals didn't see it the same way. Facts don't persuade socialists. You have to make emotional appeals.

MontyBrunswick;1877939 wrote:so is trump

he is not even close to being that crazy. One is a socialist and one is a major world figure on the business scene. You can say trump is crazy all you want but you dont get to his level being as you called "crazy"

gut;1877950 wrote:I'm guessing liberals didn't see it the same way. Facts don't persuade socialists. You have to make emotional appeals.

no my guess is that most dems see his rhetoric and gasp knowing that he is sinking their ship

Spock;1877981 wrote:You can say trump is crazy all you want but you dont get to his level being as you called "crazy"

no, you get there by having a rich father.

Spock;1877981 wrote:... one is a major world figure on the business scene.

He was barely in the top-5 of just real estate developers exclusively located in NYC alone.

http://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-real-estate-moguls-in-new-york-city-2013-11

Not sure I'd call that a "major world figure in the business scene."

Now, if you meant one of the most famous businessmen in the world, sure. However, his fame is more for his media presence than his business acumen.

MontyBrunswick;1877984 wrote:no, you get there by having a rich father.

Who had the business already built into a profitable, successful real estate development business by the time you took over.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. By all means, continue in his footsteps, grow the business further, and reap the rewards. That's awesome. But let's not pretend Trump is in the same camp as the Waltons, Warren Buffet, etc.

President Donald Trump’s net worth has declined by a whopping $600 million over the last year, according to a new analysis by Forbes, causing him to drop 92 spots on the magazine’s list of the richest people in America.
Forbes puts Trump’s net worth at an estimated $3.1 billion, which ranks him as the 248th wealthiest person in the United States. In 2016, Forbes estimated his net worth at $3.7 billion, down $800 million over the course of that year to make him the 156th wealthiest person in the country.
It reported that Trump’s real estate portfolio was the biggest source of the decline, with declining values of his Manhattan properties contributing to a loss of $400 million. He also lost $100 million in cash after spending $66 million on his presidential campaign and settling a lawsuit over Trump University. Forbes estimates that he currently has $290 million in “cash and personal assets.”
http://fortune.com/2017/10/17/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes/

gosh with any luck he could be broke when he leaves the Presidency.
His best hopes to save his fortune, resignation or impeachment

Who told the dems that having a cowgirl congresswoman pick a fight with a former general gold star father was a good idea?

like_that;1878327 wrote:Who told the dems that having a cowgirl congresswoman pick a fight with a former general gold star father was a good idea?

She was an idiot before this, and is still an idiot.

like_that;1878327 wrote:Who told the dems that having a cowgirl congresswoman pick a fight with a former general gold star father was a good idea?

what is amazing is that she was the best option at the ballot box. I would love to see who she beat!

Spock;1878334 wrote:what is amazing is that she was the best option at the ballot box. I would love to see who she beat!

No one. She ran unopposed.
Therein lies the larger problem. A good portion of the House is elected unopposed or in a district so jacked up and tilted toward the incumbent to stay in power. It is nearly impossible to unseat someone.

isadore;1878104 wrote:gosh with any luck he could be broke when he leaves the Presidency.
His best hopes to save his fortune, resignation or impeachment

Ironic; usually you go in poor, like the Clintons and the obamas, and come out worth a few hundred million, magically.

Fredrica Wilson has finally found her ultimate partner in Trump.

CenterBHSFan;1878373 wrote:Fredrica Wilson has finally found her ultimate partner in Trump.

Somebody needs to make a meme with them as Hulk Hogan and the Macho Man.

CenterBHSFan;1878373 wrote:Fredrica Wilson has finally found her ultimate partner in Trump.

Too bad she isn't Republican - we're losing out on lots of late night jokes.

gut;1878488 wrote:Too bad she isn't Republican - we're losing out on lots of late night jokes.

yea the political hacks that write for those shows would never joke on a crazy dem. If she was an R they would be torching her.

The papadocolus guy in Russia investigation is a dem mole planted by dems in trump campaign. You heard it hear first.

Spock;1879476 wrote:The papadocolus guy in Russia investigation is a dem mole planted by dems in trump campaign. You heard it hear first.

Ok, Alex Jones.

Spock;1879476 wrote:The papadocolus guy in Russia investigation is a dem mole planted by dems in trump campaign. You heard it hear first.

Spock;1879476 wrote:The papadocolus guy in Russia investigation is a dem mole planted by dems in trump campaign. You heard it hear first.

Well, we know one thing that's definitely not true, now!

Spock;1879476 wrote:The papadocolus guy in Russia investigation is a dem mole planted by dems in trump campaign. You heard it hear first.

I am doubting that .................he is still alive; unlike DNC operative Seth Rich.