Personally against and think it is fucked up the more I read about it. I feel like some people should read the exact details of the procedure, especially for late term abortions. I am not a fan of laws that prevent people from making these type of personal decisions, but in no way am I supportive in telling people to get abortions. I think all drugs should be legalized, but it doesn't mean I would recommend anyone to dabble into heroin. Private clinics and insurance should determine whether they will allow/fund it and the people who want to abort a child could go to those clinics/purchase that insurance.

I think going the private decision route along with having limitations is the only compromise we will ever see on this issue.

For those who are personally ok with abortions, here is a graph that shows each state's limitations http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html?_r=0, and below is a chart of fetal development. At one point are you comfortable/uncomfortable (if at all) with killing a baby?

I guess I'm "pro-life" but I don't think they should be illegal (I don't want a bunch of welfare babies running around anymore than anyone else does). I do think that any place doing abortions should get 0 government funding. I DO think, like above, that late term abortions are fucked up and should be outlawed.
Also, laugh out loud at sleepers comment in the last discussion that said people only get abortion after using birth control and it failing. Gtfo.


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gut;1848576 wrote:Most of that can be done at Walmart, CVS or many other clinics. PP is first and foremost "family" planning, mainly without the family part - it really would be more accurate to call themselves "Family Unplanning" or "Non-family Planning".

None of those services are available at Walmart besides maybe unreliable pregnancy tests.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

At one point are you comfortable/uncomfortable (if at all) with killing a baby?

I would never be comfortable with killing a human baby. I am comfortable with someone killing a fetus. That is 100% their decision.

sleeper;1848588 wrote:I would never be comfortable with killing a human baby. I am comfortable with someone killing a fetus. That is 100% their decision.

Fine, at what point in that chart would you be ok with killing a fetus?

like_that;1848589 wrote:Fine, at what point in that chart would you be ok with killing a fetus?

92% of abortions are done before 12 weeks. The rest are usually only performed if the pregnancy has severe risks to the mother or the baby will be severely deformed. I'll let the mother and her doctor decide rather than inserting BIG GOVERNMENT into people's private lives.

sleeper;1848591 wrote:92% of abortions are done before 12 weeks. The rest are usually only performed if the pregnancy has severe risks to the mother or the baby will be severely deformed. I'll let the mother and her doctor decide rather than inserting BIG GOVERNMENT into people's private lives.

It's really not a tough question to answer. At which point on that chart are YOU ok with killing a fetus?

The funny thing to me is choice is so important and so in demand....but only if it's available around the corner down the street. Defunding PP would somehow limit access to abortion, eventhough 2/3 of abortions are carried out elsewhere.

This is like saying if you got rid of McDonald's, then people would starve.

gut;1848594 wrote:The funny thing to me is choice is so important and so in demand....but only if it's available around the corner down the street. Defunding PP would somehow limit access to abortion, eventhough 2/3 of abortions are carried out elsewhere.

This is like saying if you got rid of McDonald's, then people would starve.

Not to mention planned parenthood survived 50 years without federal funding. They also received a huge spike in donations after the election. They don't need any funding from the tax payers.

Not to mention Medicaid already pays for almost everything a poor person needs.


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iclfan2;1848598 wrote:Not to mention Medicaid already pays for almost everything a poor person needs.

Shit, Dawg..........don't even get me started.


I have always been pro-life. Yet, I keep an open mind.

I read the comments on this thread and reflect. Many thought provoking statements have been made.

............ And I try to utilize logic.

like_that;1848592 wrote:It's really not a tough question to answer. At which point on that chart are YOU ok with killing a fetus?

I'm okay with killing a fetus if that is the decision that is made between a patient and her doctor. I'm not going to set an arbitrary time limit.

gut;1848594 wrote:The funny thing to me is choice is so important and so in demand....but only if it's available around the corner down the street. Defunding PP would somehow limit access to abortion, eventhough 2/3 of abortions are carried out elsewhere.

This is like saying if you got rid of McDonald's, then people would starve.

Defunding Planned Parenthood would limit access to healthcare much more than it would limit access to abortions, especially to low-income communities.

In a lot of states, there are fewer and fewer abortion clinics because the state keeps passing unconstitutional TRAP laws to try and shut down abortion providers.

like_that;1848596 wrote:Not to mention planned parenthood survived 50 years without federal funding. They also received a huge spike in donations after the election. They don't need any funding from the tax payers.

Planned Parenthood will exist with or without federal medicaid reimbursements. That is not the issue. The issue is that they would not be able to provide as much access to healthcare if they were stripped of those reimbursements.

The topic of defunding Planned Parenthood is really about stripping choice and access to healthcare, not abortions, for low income women. Why do Republicans hate poor women?

like_that;1848589 wrote:Fine, at what point in that chart would you be ok with killing a fetus?

Human life begins at conception.


God bless.

sleeper;1848685 wrote:Why do Republicans hate poor women?

Because the minute they cease being "innocent unborn" and become "alive", their worth is instantly measured by whether they can 100% support themselves.

sleeper;1848591 wrote:92% of abortions are done before 12 weeks. The rest are usually only performed if the pregnancy has severe risks to the mother or the baby will be severely deformed. I'll let the mother and her doctor decide rather than inserting BIG GOVERNMENT into people's private lives.

2 million couples waiting to adopt ..................yet we have the senseless killing of the innocent unborn.



Liberal logic.

The world is already overpopulated. Fuck all that religion BS and not using contraceptives.

QuakerOats;1848688 wrote:2 million couples waiting to adopt ..................yet we have the senseless killing of the innocent unborn.



Liberal logic.

They are welcome to pay for a surrogate to have a child for them. Women are more than just surrogates for parents looking to adopt; I know Republicans don't view women as people but rather vessels for childbirth, but this isn't the 1500's anymore; women are people too and they a right to their own bodily autonomy. Shocking, I know.

sleeper;1848685 wrote:The topic of defunding Planned Parenthood is really about stripping choice and access to healthcare, not abortions, for low income women. Why do Republicans hate poor women?

No, it's really not.

It is all about not providing abortions funded by the taxpayers.

Period.

like_that;1848582 wrote:Personally against

Says the boy who'll never experience pregnancy on his own.

QuakerOats;1848686 wrote:Human life begins at conception.


God bless.

And vaccines cause autism!

wkfan;1848691 wrote:No, it's really not.

It is all about not providing abortions funded by the taxpayers.

Period.

Again, for the 1,000th time, IT IS ILLEGAL for federal funds to be used for abortions. Google the "Hyde Amendment". It was passed in 1976.

97% of what Planned Parenthood does is provide reproductive health services for women(and men!). That is what you are actually defunding. Now answer my question, why do you hate poor women?

What does PP offer (other than abortions) that wouldn't be covered by Medicaid anywhere else? Why does it need taxpayer funding at all? Isn't Medicaid already tax payer funded?


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iclfan2;1848697 wrote:What does PP offer (other than abortions) that wouldn't be covered by Medicaid anywhere else? Why does it need taxpayer funding at all? Isn't Medicaid already tax payer funded?


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PP doesn't have offer any service that you can't get at your OBGYN or even your primary care doctor. Of course there are a number of advantages of PP over your OBGYN/Primary care doctor for these services but that's not what you asked.

The only "tax payer funding" PP receives is when patients on Medicaid go into PP for services rendered and the government cuts them a check like it would any other provider. It's not like the government has a line item for PP funding that you strip away; what Republicans want to do is remove the ability for PP to submit Medicaid reimbursement claim forms for services.

Medicaid is taxpayer funded. It's a program for low income and disabled people to receive medical care.