LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 7, 2010 11:25am
I like this deal. Cribbs is good because he plays hard EVERY play. Give him a contract that can really get him up there in $$ but keep it very heavy with incentivesSonofanump wrote: I hope this is not on the 3 current deal, but also an extension out for 5-6 years. Redo the contract for a 2.5-3 million a year for 5 years, give him bonuses for TD's, rushing yards, Pro-bowl that could work it up to 4 million a year. The Browns have the leverage here, he has three years left on his bad deal. He could play for the current contract or sit out.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Jan 7, 2010 11:37am
i don't get the cribbs camp here. the browns gave their initial offer that would blow them away if cribbs signed for it knowing full well that he wouldn't accept it. now the cribbs camp can come up with something that would blow them away if the browns accepted it knowing full well that they wouldn't accept it. meet in the middle and you have yourself a compromise...this is called negotiating, cribbs camp. you don't take your ball and go home after the first offer comes in that you might not like (especially when you have no leverage)
i have complete faith that holmgren will get a deal done when he gets around to it...you know when he isn't focused on hiring a gm, figuring out what to do with the head coach, etc
i have complete faith that holmgren will get a deal done when he gets around to it...you know when he isn't focused on hiring a gm, figuring out what to do with the head coach, etc
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Sonofanump
Jan 7, 2010 11:48am
Also, keep the bonus money low so that it works out to be a 6 year deal, so if something occurs in the future, you are only paying him by the year.Sonofanump wrote: I hope this is not on the 3 current deal, but also an extension out for 5-6 years. Redo the contract for a 2.5-3 million a year for 5 years, give him bonuses for TD's, rushing yards, Pro-bowl that could work it up to 4 million a year. The Browns have the leverage here, he has three years left on his bad deal. He could play for the current contract or sit out.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 7, 2010 12:08pm
You can bet that all the other FA's out there are watching how the Browns treat their best player. "Hey, come here to Cleveland where we treat you like garbage!"
just_a_swimmer
Posts: 674
Jan 7, 2010 12:17pm
No different then any other team. This stuff goes on everywhere. Look at the Brandon Marshall situation in Denver and countless other places. Year after year.pkebker wrote: You can bet that all the other FA's out there are watching how the Browns treat their best player. "Hey, come here to Cleveland where we treat you like garbage!"
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Jan 7, 2010 12:47pm
Holmgren will do the opposite of what the general public would do here, just to say that he's da boss. This guys a big jackass.
just_a_swimmer
Posts: 674
Jan 7, 2010 1:05pm
No he is not :@ Can't we please have nice things to say. He is our savior for crying out loud.Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will do the opposite of what the general public would do here, just to say that he's da boss. This guys a big jackass.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 7, 2010 1:23pm
Right. Because that makes sense. Let's just piss the fans off because I am the boss. Lol.Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will do the opposite of what the general public would do here, just to say that he's da boss. This guys a big jackass.
Moving onward.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 7, 2010 1:47pm
Lol good rebuttle...that would make no sense.DaBrowns41 wrote:Right. Because that makes sense. Let's just piss the fans off because I am the boss. Lol.Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will do the opposite of what the general public would do here, just to say that he's da boss. This guys a big jackass.
Moving onward.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 7, 2010 1:47pm
I think 1.4 million is a great deal for a ST player. I get it, Cribbs is our best player, unfortunately, a ST/gimmick player is not going to win you championships, so why tie up a bunch of money in a gimmick player? He ran for 300 or so yards, and returned 4 TD's and you want to give this guy 3 million a year?
Wow, bad call.
Wow, bad call.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 7, 2010 1:49pm
1.4 mil will be a good offer if Holmgren decides not to run the WC next year.
Cribbs is strictly a ST player if you take out the wildcat. He isn't a WR and will never be one.
If the Browns continue to use the WC offense more, Cribbs turns into a solid offensive weapon who will get more touches per game. Salary increase to around 2.5-3 mil.
Cribbs is strictly a ST player if you take out the wildcat. He isn't a WR and will never be one.
If the Browns continue to use the WC offense more, Cribbs turns into a solid offensive weapon who will get more touches per game. Salary increase to around 2.5-3 mil.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 7, 2010 1:50pm
I'm not sure many FA's want to go to Denver right now either...But also, Brandon Marshall's antics during training camp alone helps make Denver's stance make a little more sense. Whereas, Josh Cribbs acted as professionally as you could ask any player. He has had multiple Front Office personnell promise him the deal (Including the owner!). FA's notice how Cleveland is treating their best player, who has done EVERYTHING we have asked of him...just_a_swimmer wrote:No different then any other team. This stuff goes on everywhere. Look at the Brandon Marshall situation in Denver and countless other places. Year after year.pkebker wrote: You can bet that all the other FA's out there are watching how the Browns treat their best player. "Hey, come here to Cleveland where we treat you like garbage!"
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Jan 7, 2010 2:30pm
this is merely round one in the negotiations. did anyone really expect him to take the first offer?
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 7, 2010 2:45pm
Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 7, 2010 4:04pm
Just curious as to where you came up with 2.1M...seems like a specific number. Why not just say 2M?DaBrowns41 wrote: Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 7, 2010 4:07pm
pkebker wrote:Just curious as to where you came up with 2.1M...seems like a specific number. Why not just say 2M?DaBrowns41 wrote: Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
Eh, just being random, TBH. Not often are contracts set at even numbers, ya know?
Besides, contracts are never the same amount of dollars each year. Usually contracts are backloaded, so that maybe Cribbs would get 2M this year, 2.2 next, 2.5 in his third year, etc.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 7, 2010 4:10pm
Haha kk...I wasn't criticizing, it makes sense. Just seemed random. I personally think 3 - 3.5M a year is not a bad deal for him...DaBrowns41 wrote:pkebker wrote:Just curious as to where you came up with 2.1M...seems like a specific number. Why not just say 2M?DaBrowns41 wrote: Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
Eh, just being random, TBH. Not often are contracts set at even numbers, ya know?
Besides, contracts are never the same amount of dollars each year. Usually contracts are backloaded, so that maybe Cribbs would get 2M this year, 2.2 next, 2.5 in his third year, etc.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 7, 2010 4:15pm
I'm a big fan of incentive laden deals, myself. Not that he hasn't been consistent, but it basically makes you only spend money that you got something out of.pkebker wrote:Haha kk...I wasn't criticizing, it makes sense. Just seemed random. I personally think 3 - 3.5M a year is not a bad deal for him...DaBrowns41 wrote:pkebker wrote:Just curious as to where you came up with 2.1M...seems like a specific number. Why not just say 2M?DaBrowns41 wrote: Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.
Eh, just being random, TBH. Not often are contracts set at even numbers, ya know?
Besides, contracts are never the same amount of dollars each year. Usually contracts are backloaded, so that maybe Cribbs would get 2M this year, 2.2 next, 2.5 in his third year, etc.
That being said, I think the Browns will push for no more than 2.5M with incentives.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jan 7, 2010 5:27pm
Browns need to rip up the old deal and pay the man. It's that simple. Make it incentive heavy if need be. But just pay the man.
Management has put a piece of shit product on the field for a long time. Show the players (and potential FA's) that excellence will be rewarded in Cleveland.
It would also appease the die hard fans that winning players are much appreciated here.
Management has put a piece of shit product on the field for a long time. Show the players (and potential FA's) that excellence will be rewarded in Cleveland.
It would also appease the die hard fans that winning players are much appreciated here.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Jan 7, 2010 5:29pm
I think 3-3.5M is fair enough, certainly deserves more than 1.4
Love the guy, want him to stay a Brown. Pony up, Brownies.
Love the guy, want him to stay a Brown. Pony up, Brownies.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Jan 7, 2010 5:52pm
Let me start off by saying I like Cribbs alot and love him in Cleveland. That said, he is being a bitch. First of all, it is 4 days after your last game. Settle the hell down. Also, they low balled you because it is called negotiating. Maybe you shouldn't have signed a 5 year deal 2 years ago if you were gonna bitch about it after 1 season. Does he deserve more? Absolutely. But he needs to chill and let things work themselves out.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Jan 7, 2010 5:56pm
I agree with everything you said. Id also add this. When was the last time a player gave money back from a large contract after they had a sub par season?iclfan2 wrote: Let me start off by saying I like Cribbs alot and love him in Cleveland. That said, he is being a bitch. First of all, it is 4 days after your last game. Settle the hell down. Also, they low balled you because it is called negotiating. Maybe you shouldn't have signed a 5 year deal 2 years ago if you were gonna bitch about it after 1 season. Does he deserve more? Absolutely. But he needs to chill and let things work themselves out.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 7, 2010 6:20pm
You don't follow Cribbs or the Browns much do you?september63 wrote:I agree with everything you said. Id also add this. When was the last time a player gave money back from a large contract after they had a sub par season?iclfan2 wrote: Let me start off by saying I like Cribbs alot and love him in Cleveland. That said, he is being a bitch. First of all, it is 4 days after your last game. Settle the hell down. Also, they low balled you because it is called negotiating. Maybe you shouldn't have signed a 5 year deal 2 years ago if you were gonna bitch about it after 1 season. Does he deserve more? Absolutely. But he needs to chill and let things work themselves out.
A sub par season? The guy averaged 27.5 yards per KR, which is tied for 1st in the league for players with 40+ returns, and tied for 3rd with players with 30+ returns.
He was 4th in 20+ yard returns, and 1st in 40+ yard returns along with having 3 KR TD's.
In PR's he was 1st in 40+ returns and 4th in 20+ returns and had a TD.
In 55 attempts rushing he averaged 6.9 YPC as well.
Pay the man.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Jan 7, 2010 6:30pm
Or what the hell...let's just throw him on the trade block for shits and giggles. San Fran has already said they will concentrate on special teams in the off season. With them having 2 enticing 1st rd. picks, I would say Cribbs could be had for 1 of them. So why not stick him out there? We have nothing to lose. We have him under contract for 3 more years. If he wants to sit out, so be it. He'll be paying $10k /day to the organization to do so. Its more of a loss for him than the organization at this point. He cant and wont single handly take us to the playoffs.
Also it is a valid point that IF they do run the WCO, Cribbs will have nada to do with the O. That is a big IF they run it. The Big Show already said he is willing to run whatever works best, not necessarily the WCO.
Also it is a valid point that IF they do run the WCO, Cribbs will have nada to do with the O. That is a big IF they run it. The Big Show already said he is willing to run whatever works best, not necessarily the WCO.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Jan 7, 2010 6:33pm
your right about the cap , but in 2011 the owners plan on locking the players out , in hopes of getting a cap back in place. so they dont want to get in too deep on long term big dollar dealsDaBrowns41 wrote: Another thing to think about guys, if there's no cap next year, what does it matter? We're one of the wealthiest teams overall thanks to Lerner. Is another 1 million a season going to make that big of a difference?
I'm thinking that when this is all said and done, he's going to get a 2.1M deal with incentives for offensive touches and KR TD's.