gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jan 6, 2010 2:11pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof10/news/story?id=4801847
Roberto Alomar, Edgar Martinez, Barry Larkin and Fred McGriff were up for the first time this year as well but didn't get the necessary number of votes to be inducted.
Roberto Alomar, Edgar Martinez, Barry Larkin and Fred McGriff were up for the first time this year as well but didn't get the necessary number of votes to be inducted.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 6, 2010 2:19pm
Andre Dawson 420 77.9%
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0.0%
Ray Lankford 0 0.0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0.0%
Todd Zeile 0 0.0%
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0.0%
Ray Lankford 0 0.0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0.0%
Todd Zeile 0 0.0%
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Jan 6, 2010 2:24pm
I still think its crazy you need 75% of the vote to get in.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jan 6, 2010 2:24pm
Blyleven once again increases his % but misses ... again. How is it that his % of votes goes up every year?
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Jan 6, 2010 2:24pm
Bout damn time. I used to skip school in the good old days to watch WGN and the Cubbies.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 6, 2010 2:39pm
How did Todd Zeile not get in???
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2010 2:43pm
How Robbie Alomar is NOT in the HOF after his first year eligibility I do not understand.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Jan 6, 2010 2:45pm
Who the hell voted for David Segui? haha
Switching gears, do you think Robbie Alomar's current condition (AIDS) has any impact on his HOF status? Genuine question, I thought Alomar was a great ballplayer (before he came to the Mets, of course!), but does this virus hurt his chances? You can argue that Magic Johnson's popularity actually increased post-HIV, so I am not sure either way.
Switching gears, do you think Robbie Alomar's current condition (AIDS) has any impact on his HOF status? Genuine question, I thought Alomar was a great ballplayer (before he came to the Mets, of course!), but does this virus hurt his chances? You can argue that Magic Johnson's popularity actually increased post-HIV, so I am not sure either way.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jan 6, 2010 3:56pm
Alomar will be in next year. There are a bunch of guys that just won't vote for someone their first time up with very few exceptions.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 6, 2010 4:00pm
Tim Raines stats....please go look at them, theyre much better then quittttte a few HOF players
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Jan 6, 2010 4:55pm
Correct me if I am wrong but can't they vote for as many players as they like?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 6, 2010 5:01pm
They can vote for 10.Keebler wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but can't they vote for as many players as they like?
BCBulldog
Posts: 824
Jan 6, 2010 5:09pm
This year should have included Blyleven and Morris, too. Very overlooked players. Larkin and Alomar should go in within the next two years.
bucks36
Posts: 182
Jan 6, 2010 5:24pm
Alomar got absolutely jobbed!! Who the hell is voting for these people? Like they were saying on ESPN, Alomar is one of the top 2nd basemen of all time and he doesn't get enough votes to get in. Sure, he will probably get in next year but it makes absolutely no sense why he isn't a 1st ballot HOFer.
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Jan 6, 2010 5:29pm
Andre Dawson 420 77.9%
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0.0%
Ray Lankford 0 0.0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0.0%
Todd Zeile 0 0.0%
Should be in.
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0.0%
Ray Lankford 0 0.0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0.0%
Todd Zeile 0 0.0%
Should be in.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Jan 6, 2010 5:29pm
Agree completely but will go one step farther and say he is the BEST 2nd baseman of all time. If anyone deserved to be a first ballet HOF, it was Alomar.bucks36 wrote: Alomar got absolutely jobbed!! Who the hell is voting for these people? Like they were saying on ESPN, Alomar is one of the top 2nd basemen of all time and he doesn't get enough votes to get in. Sure, he will probably get in next year but it makes absolutely no sense why he isn't a 1st ballot HOFer.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jan 6, 2010 5:37pm
The most egregious is the absence of Blyleven...absolutely should be in. This may have been his last year before his selection moves to the veteran's comittee? Alomar and Dawson are clear-cut. I frankly think from Larkin and Morris on down ........not HOF'ers...but great ones nonetheless.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 6, 2010 6:24pm
His cocaine issues are probably at fault here, as wrong as that is.Hb31187 wrote: Tim Raines stats....please go look at them, theyre much better then quittttte a few HOF players
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2010 6:30pm
Alomar got the most votes for someone in their first year of eligibility who didn't get in.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2010 8:39pm
ALOMAR is one of the best all-around players for a long stretch of time....I believe only Barry Bonds was a better all-around player.
Base running....absolutely one of THE very best
Defense......THE absolute best
Hitting......very good
Power...solid
10 Gold gloves and 2700+ hits for a 2nd baseman.....HOF If you are voting for the HOF and you don't vote in a player when only one gets elected....then when do you ever. A bunch of old crotchety idiots I guess.
Base running....absolutely one of THE very best
Defense......THE absolute best
Hitting......very good
Power...solid
10 Gold gloves and 2700+ hits for a 2nd baseman.....HOF If you are voting for the HOF and you don't vote in a player when only one gets elected....then when do you ever. A bunch of old crotchety idiots I guess.
NNN
Posts: 902
Jan 6, 2010 10:58pm
What an embarrassment for the BBWAA.
Blyleven? Again, on the outside looking in.
Alomar? One of the 10 best second basemen in history? No dice.
Larkin? One of the FIVE best shortstops in history (yes, even ahead of Ozzie)? Apparently not enough.
Raines? Second-best leadoff man in the history of the world? Oh, sorry, what you did for six months when you were 22 and cocaine was being considered "the new recreational drug" is apparently too much to overcome.
But Andre freakin' Dawson...he of the most undeserved MVP award in the history of the game....THAT is a Hall of Famer? What a joke.
What an absolute joke.
Blyleven? Again, on the outside looking in.
Alomar? One of the 10 best second basemen in history? No dice.
Larkin? One of the FIVE best shortstops in history (yes, even ahead of Ozzie)? Apparently not enough.
Raines? Second-best leadoff man in the history of the world? Oh, sorry, what you did for six months when you were 22 and cocaine was being considered "the new recreational drug" is apparently too much to overcome.
But Andre freakin' Dawson...he of the most undeserved MVP award in the history of the game....THAT is a Hall of Famer? What a joke.
What an absolute joke.
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RiverRat13
Posts: 377
Jan 7, 2010 10:03am
Without WGN, Dawson doesn't sniff the HOF. Period. He was a very good player but had he been a Kansas City Royal or a Texas Ranger, there would be no chance he gets in.
Larkin, Alomar and Blyleven all deserve in. And Tim Raines is far more deserving than Andre Dawson and it is not even close. Raines's biggest sin isn't his drug abuse but not playing in a big market while he was in his prime.
Larkin, Alomar and Blyleven all deserve in. And Tim Raines is far more deserving than Andre Dawson and it is not even close. Raines's biggest sin isn't his drug abuse but not playing in a big market while he was in his prime.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 7, 2010 10:46am
Right or wrong but this is what kept Alomar out on the first ballot.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,134797,00.html
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=7710
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,134797,00.html
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=7710
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 7, 2010 11:32am
The spit was an incident that he more than made up for. He and Hirschbeck shook hands in April at a game the following season and Alomar isa big on raising funds for Hirschbeck's fund raiser for what his child died from.
Hirschbeck and Alomar are good friends.
Some baseball writers are idiots. The one on ESPN this morning had 10 possible nominations and he nominated Alomar, McGwire and Lee Smith.....that's it. Just like he randomly picks...and his reasons were horrible.
Hirschbeck and Alomar are good friends.
Some baseball writers are idiots. The one on ESPN this morning had 10 possible nominations and he nominated Alomar, McGwire and Lee Smith.....that's it. Just like he randomly picks...and his reasons were horrible.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Jan 7, 2010 11:47am
Blyleven gets jobbed year after year...
its a shame. They need to take the voting out of the hands of sportswriters who have never played the game a day in their life at the pro level and put in the hands of baseball people(ex players, managers, GM's, etc.) who know what they're talking about
its a shame. They need to take the voting out of the hands of sportswriters who have never played the game a day in their life at the pro level and put in the hands of baseball people(ex players, managers, GM's, etc.) who know what they're talking about