eersandbeers wrote: You would put the Big12 ahead of them? I personally thought the Big12 was not as good as the PAC10.

Based on?

enigmaax wrote: It is widely accepted WVU was completely screwed over on that call.

Even if you felt it was a touchdown (as I did), there was not even close to enough evidence to overturn the call

No, I don't know how the rest of the game turned out. I do know it was a 7 point swing in favor of UC that they didn't earn and it dramatically changed the game.

A loss can hinge on a single play when it gives the other team 7 points they didn't deserve.

Okay, now you sound like a ND fan. "They made the right call, but there's no way they could've known it was right." Either it was right or it wasn't. You can't complain about getting screwed if it was right.

Even if it wasn't right, the loss didn't hinge on that play. It was the 2nd quarter of what was previously a 14-7 game. It didn't dramatically change anything. Plenty of game left and WVU continued to stick to its gameplan. Sorry, I'm just not big into excuses. If they make you feel better, whatever.

the_system wrote:

The big12 did go 2-0 against the Pac10, so sure, why not?

Oklahoma (6-5, 5-3 B12) 31
Stanford (8-4, 6-3 P10) 27

Nebraska (9-4, 6-2 B12) 33
Arizona (8-4, 6-3 P10) 0

If we base it purely off bowl games then that would be true.

SOS
Oregon (7)
Oregon State (15)
Arizona (5)
Stanford (23)
USC (6)
Cal (20)

vs.

Texas (49)
Nebraska (52)
Oklahoma (29)
Missouri (56)
Oklahoma State (48)
Texas Tech (58)

Obviously the PAC10 didn't show up for the bowl games though so you may be correct. Based on the total body of work though, I wouldn't put the two conferences that far apart. The PAC10 had a decent season overall.

enigmaax wrote:


Okay, now you sound like a ND fan. "They made the right call, but there's no way they could've known it was right." Either it was right or it wasn't. You can't complain about getting screwed if it was right.

Even if it wasn't right, the loss didn't hinge on that play. It was the 2nd quarter of what was previously a 14-7 game. It didn't dramatically change anything. Plenty of game left and WVU continued to stick to its gameplan. Sorry, I'm just not big into excuses. If they make you feel better, whatever.

Yes you can complain about getting screwed because the rules state there must be "indisputable evidence" to overturn a call. There was nothing in that video that could have been considered indisputable evidence.

I'm not big into excuses either. WVU sucked and couldn't score. I'm simply recognizing they lost a game by 3 points in which the other team was handed 7 points. It is intellectually dishonest to act like that touchdown can't win a game.

eersandbeers wrote: Yes you can complain about getting screwed because the rules state there must be "indisputable evidence" to overturn a call. There was nothing in that video that could have been considered indisputable evidence.

I'm not big into excuses either. WVU sucked and couldn't score. I'm simply recognizing they lost a game by 3 points in which the other team was handed 7 points. It is intellectually dishonest to act like that touchdown can't win a game.

You said it was a TD. It would have been okay for WVU to win because of a mistake, but WVU got screwed because they got the call right, only you don't think they could have gotten the call right from what they saw, except, the way you saw it, they were right?

Either it was right or it wasn't. If it was right, then Cincy wasn't handed anything....they were almost screwed by a mistake, but it was corrected, he scored a TD, he earned it.

Whatever the case, it isn't dishonest to say that one singular play is the sole determining factor in the win or loss of that game. It isn't as simple as saying, "take those seven off the board and we won" and really, if you believe that, you aren't as smart as I thought you were.

You ARE making excuses and not very good ones.

1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. Big 12
4. MWC
5. Pac 10
6. ACC
7. Big East
8. WAC

sjmvsfscs08 wrote: 1 - SEC

2 - Big XII
3 - Big Ten

4 - Mountain West
5 - Pac-10
6 - Big East
7 - ACC

This.

Big Ten
SEC
Big 12
Pac-10
MWC
ACC
Big East

ccrunner609 wrote: The SEC is 2 teams and the rest are average at best. THe MWC is a top 5 conference and to put the PAC 10 ahead of them is ridiculous.

B10
SEC
B12
MWC
B East
PAC 10
ACC

What about LSU? You also forget Georgia beat Georgia Tech and that a LOT of SEC teams gave Bama and Fla all they could handle...

1) SEC
2) Big Ten
3) Big XII

The rest.

I don't understand how the Big 12 is ahead of the Big 10 on a lot of your guys' rankings... :huh:

enigmaax wrote:7. MWC - Three good teams at the top who could probably compete with anyone on a given day, but the remaining six teams still demonstrate a huge gap in top-to-bottom depth from the BCS/AQ conferences (partially by being 1-7 against those types of teams); the bottom four teams would struggle to finish above last in any other conference

Well thought out but you ignore the fact that the MWC was 4-1 in bowl games with the only defeat being a 17-10 BCS loss by the conference champ.

I think that puts them slightly above the ACC and the Big East IMHO.

I don't usually get into ranking conferences because it can really get subjective, plus, in the big picture, what difference does it make? I've been a follower of the Big 10 my whole life, and as such, I suppose that makes me, by definition, a fan. What really interests me each season is how my favorite team does. No conference has ever won a bowl game as far as I know, and if my team wins one, I'm really happy...like right now. I think the Big Ten had a great year and certainly is back as a major, competitive conference. Are they the best? I don't know. All I do know is I am looking forward already to the OSU-Miami Game next Fall. Everything else, including ranking the conferences, is unimportant to me.

If you just take the top 5 teams from each conference (and that's the only fair way to evaluate)...it looks like this.

ACC Bowl Record (3-4)
Georgia Tech 11-3 (7-1)
Clemson 9-5(6-2)
Virginia Tech 10-3 (6-2)
Miami 9-4 (5-3)
Boston College 8-5 (5-3)

BIG 12 Bowl Record (4-3)
Texas 13-0 (8-0)
Nebraska 10-4 (6-2)
Oklahoma State 9-4 (6-2)
Texas Tech 9-4 (5-3)
Oklahoma 8-5 (5-3)

BIG EAST Bowl Record (4-2)
Cincinnati 12-1 (7-0)
West Virginia 9-4 (5-2)
Pittsburgh 10-3 (5-2)
Rutgers 9-4 (3-4)
Connecticut 8-5 (3-4)

PAC 10 Bowl Record (2-5)
Oregon 10-3 (8-1)
Arizona 8-5 (6-3)
Oregon State 8-5 (6-3)
Stanford 8-5 (6-3)
USC 9-4 (5-4)

BIG 10 Bowl Record (4-3)
Ohio State 11-2 (7-1)
Penn State 11-2 (6-2)
Iowa 11-2 (6-2)
Wisconsin 10-3 (5-3)
Northwestern 8-5 (5-3)

SEC Bowl Record (5-4)
Alabama 13-0 (8-0)
Florida 13-1 (8-0)
LSU 9-4 (5-3)
Mississippi 9-4 (4-4)
Georgia 8-5 (4-4)

believer wrote: Well thought out but you ignore the fact that the MWC was 4-1 in bowl games with the only defeat being a 17-10 BCS loss by the conference champ.

I think that puts them slightly above the ACC and the Big East IMHO.

The fact that their #4 and #5 teams beat CUSA and WAC opponents doesn't change that the top three teams are pretty good and that no one else did anything against a major conference.

For about the last few years its been neck and neck between the SEC and the Big 10. This year though, I think the Big 10 got em'. (More quality bowl wins).

So it looks like this;

1. Big 10
2. SEC
3. Big 12
4. MWC
5. PAC 10

Big East/ACC- Sticks with basketball, and your slipping there too!

its been "neck and neck"??? The SEC has been head and shoulders better the last couple years.I still think the SEC is better this year but i think the Big 10 will rise to the top next year.

Is there great coaching in the Mountain West and Big East?

The reason I ask is because when schools from these leagues get recruits, just a few are highly recruited. For instance, look at the Top 150 recruits each year. None, or very few choose a Mountain West school or a Big East school.

Yet, when push comes to shove, these conferences are in the arguement for being just as good or better than the ACC, PAC 10, and some say pretty equal to the Big 10 and Big 12.

I chalk it up to coaching because obviously they don't get the talent the big boys get.

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can say the Big ten has been neck and neck with the SEC lately.

National Championships in the last ten years

SEC---5 (Tennessee, LSU, Florida)
Big 10---1 (Ohio State)

The Big Ten as a whole is not that good. Fortunately they have Ohio State who has been carrying them for a long time now. Ohio State can play with anyone in the country, but the rest of the big ten is too spotty.

dokken wrote: Is there great coaching in the Mountain West and Big East?

The reason I ask is because when schools from these leagues get recruits, just a few are highly recruited. For instance, look at the Top 150 recruits each year. None, or very few choose a Mountain West school or a Big East school.

Yet, when push comes to shove, these conferences are in the arguement for being just as good or better than the ACC, PAC 10, and some say pretty equal to the Big 10 and Big 12.

I chalk it up to coaching because obviously they don't get the talent the big boys get.

Good Coaching and as others have said before, when Teams like Notre Dame and Ohio State show interest in a player they go from 3* to 4* over night. Talent wise some 2* and 3* athletes are every bit as good as 4* recruits, but if the big boys don't come calling they never get the credit.

UC put 6 guys in the NFL last year, all 2* recruits.

Mardy Gilyard was 2* and I can't even find reliable recruiting info on Tony Pike.



Last Years NFL draft first two rounds:
Round 1: 6 (5*) 12 (4*) 6 (3*) 7 (2*) 1 (<2*)

Round 2: 1 (5*) 5 (4*) 11 (3*) 14 (2*) 1 (<2*)

I've heard a rumor Ron Zook (former Florida head coach) made a high school visit to talk to Mardy, but it was Senior Skip Day and Mardy was not present.

El Jefe Grande wrote: I've heard a rumor Ron Zook (former Florida head coach) made a high school visit to talk to Mardy, but it was Senior Skip Day and Mardy was not present.

It came straight out of Gilyards mouth. Doesn't diminish the fact that he was only a 2 * recruit though.

This year it depends on who wins the NC imo. If Texas wins I have it like:

1) Big Ten
2) SEC
3) B12
4) MWC
5) Pac 10
6) ACC
7) Big East

Big Ten gets the nod with 4 wins over Top 15 teams in the nation. Two BCS bowl wins also.

If Bama wins you flip SEC and B10. The SEC would have two BCS wins including the national championship.

devil1197 wrote: Big Ten gets the nod with 4 wins over Top 15 teams in the nation.

Without Alabama yet playing, the SEC has 4 wins over Top 16 teams in the nation. I don't think it changes whether Bama wins or not (one of the Big Ten's BCS wins was over a team that was beaten by a .500 SEC team).

devil1197 wrote: This year it depends on who wins the NC imo. If Texas wins I have it like:

1) Big Ten
2) SEC
3) B12
4) MWC
5) Pac 10
6) ACC
7) Big East

Big Ten gets the nod with 4 wins over Top 15 teams in the nation. Two BCS bowl wins also.

If Bama wins you flip SEC and B10. The SEC would have two BCS wins including the national championship.

tard alert

rocket31 wrote:

devil1197 wrote: This year it depends on who wins the NC imo. If Texas wins I have it like:

1) Big Ten
2) SEC
3) B12
4) MWC
5) Pac 10
6) ACC
7) Big East

Big Ten gets the nod with 4 wins over Top 15 teams in the nation. Two BCS bowl wins also.

If Bama wins you flip SEC and B10. The SEC would have two BCS wins including the national championship.

tard alert

Why?

You want to base it off bowl seasons. The Big 10 will have 4 top wins against Top 15 teams. Two of those victories will be in the BCS series along with two other top non BCS bowls.

If Bama goes down tonight no other conference will have close to the resume of the B10 in the bowl games. The SEC could take over with Florida and Bama winning BCS bowl games with one being the big one.

because bama and florida would wipe the floor with any big ten team this season.

get your head out of your ass with meaningless bowl game mumbo jumbo.

nobody cares about bowl accomplishments except tards.

there is one game that means anything in the post-season and that is tonight.

It's easy to offer up your opinion as a fan of a conference of one rocket31.