Wolves of Babylon;1832597 wrote:Sticky wages

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Sure a useful contribution to this thread. Let me know when you can put together a coherent though or independent idea.

Spock;1832607 wrote:Luls. Have of that is fake

It probably is. I didn't post it to counter the previous graphic, I merely posted it to showcase how anyone can post an internet picture regardless of truth or biased manipulation.

Your partisanship is showing; I doubt the data in the previous graphic is real either but I didn't see you call it out because it fits your bubble view of the world.

Iliketurtles;1832612 wrote:They are the same just now he's posting the opposite side of bullshit. I've never cared for any version of sleeper.

QQ.

iclfan2;1832604 wrote:I liked old sleeper. This new version is a fucking douche bag.


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Sorry man.

Iliketurtles;1832612 wrote:They are the same just now he's posting the opposite side of bullshit. I've never cared for any version of sleeper.

At the least, I have to give him some credit for doing a pretty good emulation of the site's butthurt Rs from the past 8 years. I mean, being the QQ for this presidential tenure isn't the sort of goal I'd set for myself, but he's doing a good take on it, minus the gazillion links no one GAF enough to ever click.

Heretic;1832674 wrote:At the least, I have to give him some credit for doing a pretty good emulation of the site's butthurt Rs from the past 8 years. I mean, being the QQ for this presidential tenure isn't the sort of goal I'd set for myself, but he's doing a good take on it, minus the gazillion links no one GAF enough to ever click.

"See, I'm right! Check out this article as proof *inserts deathtoobama.com link*"

SportsAndLady;1832675 wrote:"See, I'm right! Check out this article as proof *inserts deathtoobama.com link*"

Followed by a brief lecture on how "deathtoobama" is far more intelligent and credible than the lamestream media and if people would just wake up, they'd realize it.

Will Obama's 20 days of sudden boom in factory growth last 4 years? 8 years? How long does it take an incoming Republican to disrupt 20 days worth of job growth for a president of 7 years and 340 days prior to said growth? I ask because I am not a poser economist like Sleeper.

sleeper;1832658 wrote:#4) We agree on both Obamacare and TrumpCare. The only system proven to work is single payer healthcare. If Trumpcare is a single payer system, I will support it regardless of what it is called. Republicans don't like to admit that Obamacare is Romneycare, a Republican idea, and try to pretend this is the system that Obama wanted. No, Obama tried to compromise with Republicans to get some type of healthcare reform passed to HELP people that need it and for that I applaud him tremendously.

Countries that have single payer like Belgium, UK, Japan (Canada, about 36 million people, has the most room to move) - have never had the freedom and liberty that the US has. That's not something that single payer proponents ever want to take into consideration, so they immediately disregard it and make every attempt to shout it down. Countries like Sweden allow private health insurance.
When a people have always been ruled over, they accept whatever it is that they have always known and make the best of it.

Here, in the US, we're not so subservient or complacent. Or rather, we haven't been up until the past few decades; we are starting to get lulled now more than ever. When our government pushes too much, we push back. That's what we do.

People can be huge fans of single payer. But they rarely ever can state so without becoming obnoxious about it. They don't even bother trying to explain why and/or how they think that single payer can feasibly work in this country.

Also, I highly doubt that Obama knew everything that the law was about. He probably just took Nancy Pelosi's word for it: "We have to pass the law to find out what's in it." With his ego, I highly doubt that he would want egg in his face as has subsequently happened when just about everything he promised about the law turned out to be completely false. He owns that now. He'll never escape it, either. And if we get right down to it, most of the people who pay attention to such things won't forget it.

Do I think that there are parts of Obamacare that could be useful? Sure. But I don't think that super-condensing it is the answer. That will only make it suck more lol!

Nobody cared about Mitt Romney or what healthcare they had up in Massachusetts until Obama popped up.

bases_loaded;1832692 wrote:Will Obama's 20 days of sudden boom in factory growth last 4 years? 8 years? How long does it take an incoming Republican to disrupt 20 days worth of job growth for a president of 7 years and 340 days prior to said growth? I ask because I am not a poser economist like Sleeper.

I'm not an economist. I will say that I probably know more about how the world works than your you and your entire family tree.

I just find it interesting that Trump is getting credit for the positive economic news when he's not even in office and has done approximately zero work. Your partisanship is showing.

Countries that have single payer like Belgium, UK, Japan (Canada, about 36 million people, has the most room to move) - have never had the freedom and liberty that the US has.

I read this and laughed. Maybe I'll respond to the rest of your post but I can't take anyone seriously that claims that Belgium, the UK, Japan, and Canada don't have freedom or liberty; or that the disparity is great enough to be stated so boldly.

People can be huge fans of single payer. But they rarely ever can state so without becoming obnoxious about it. They don't even bother trying to explain why and/or how they think that single payer can feasibly work in this country.

It's simple. You expand Medicare to all; the system is already in place. It will work but the medical industry, including insurance companies, want their cut of the pie and it's time we cut out the middle man. That's how you reduce costs, coupled with having a single negotiator for drug prices rather than the current model.

Incorrect. To lower costs the buyer (patient) and seller (provider) must deal directly with each other. Just like every other free market we have which determine optimum pricing.

QuakerOats;1832716 wrote:Incorrect. To lower costs the buyer (patient) and seller (provider) must deal directly with each other. Just like every other free market we have which determine optimum pricing.

Right because the buyer is going to haggle over prices when he is having a heart attack and will die in the next 5 minutes without medical care, and the seller is going to give a fair and reasonable price in return.

Do Republicans live in reality?

sleeper;1832707 wrote:I read this and laughed. Maybe I'll respond to the rest of your post but I can't take anyone seriously that claims that Belgium, the UK, Japan, and Canada don't have freedom or liberty; or that the disparity is great enough to be stated so boldly.

You can laugh all you want, but I happen to work with and talk (I work for a gaming company so we have many conference calls per week and talk daily on Skype) to people from the UK, Belgium, Canada and a few other European countries every single day. Lately, the off-work discussion has been intensely political. Some things we agree on and some we don't. But we've had discussions on this very topic and what they know is all they can go by. I can't say that they are unhappy with their healthcare, because according to what they say, it's about 50/50. But they make the best of it and go on about their lives.
They think it's amazing that I own guns and can carry them. They are still asking questions about Obamacare. They don't understand America's love affair with muscle cars and it fascinates them, for God's sake. They think we're rough and rowdy creatures (and in some ways we are). They don't understand why we don't have universal care for everybody because they've never had private and so it's alien to them. How we live is alien from them. They don't have all the elbow room that we do. I know all of this too, because I actually have family in the UK and have been there and visited a few times and we actually do talk about things other than family and the weather. That's just a fact.
Perhaps if you have been in the DC bubble for too long, eh?

CenterBHSFan;1832725 wrote:You can laugh all you want, but I happen to work with and talk (I work for a gaming company so we have many conference calls per week and talk daily on Skype) to people from the UK, Belgium, Canada and a few other European countries every single day. Lately, the off-work discussion has been intensely political. Some things we agree on and some we don't. But we've had discussions on this very topic and what they know is all they can go by. I can't say that they are unhappy with their healthcare, because according to what they say, it's about 50/50. But they make the best of it and go on about their lives.
They think it's amazing that I own guns and can carry them. They are still asking questions about Obamacare. They don't understand America's love affair with muscle cars and it fascinates them, for God's sake. They think we're rough and rowdy creatures (and in some ways we are). They don't understand why we don't have universal care for everybody because they've never had private and so it's alien to them. How we live is alien from them. They don't have all the elbow room that we do. I know all of this too, because I actually have family in the UK and have been there and visited a few times and we actually do talk about things other than family and the weather. That's just a fact.
Perhaps if you have been in the DC bubble for too long, eh?

They don't understand why we don't have universal healthcare because a brain dead monkey can see that's the best way to handle healthcare.

Your stories are cute but your claim is still unsupported. Your claim is like saying the Netherlands has more freedom than the US because they can smoke weed there and we can't here. Your logic is broken at best and its laughable that you doubled down on the claim on superior American freedom instead of just admitting you were flat out WRONG.

sleeper;1832730 wrote:They don't understand why we don't have universal healthcare because a brain dead monkey can see that's the best way to handle healthcare.

Your stories are cute but your claim is still unsupported. Your claim is like saying the Netherlands has more freedom than the US because they can smoke weed there and we can't here. Your logic is broken at best and its laughable that you doubled down on the claim on superior American freedom instead of just admitting you were flat out WRONG.

I don't think I'm wrong and I have never covered that up or tried to. Prove you're right.

Neither one of us can say we have experienced full-on single payer ourselves. So we're left with what we have experienced, ancedotal evidence.

sleeper;1832706 wrote:I'm not an economist. I will say that I probably know more about how the world works than your you and your entire family tree.

I just find it interesting that Trump is getting credit for the positive economic news when he's not even in office and has done approximately zero work. Your partisanship is showing.

Businesses know the next 4 years won't be filled with more red tape and regulations. They are motivated to have a successful businessman running the country not a hand picked community organizer. The president isn't a life long politician despite the notion being pushed that to be one must be.

I don't need to pull my dick out on a message board to know who's the better man between the two of us. You work for someone else while I'm building a corporation, IRL you are the loser.


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CenterBHSFan;1832731 wrote:I don't think I'm wrong and I have never covered that up or tried to. Prove you're right.

Neither one of us can say we have experienced full-on single payer ourselves. So we're left with what we have experienced, ancedotal evidence.

Except we don't need anecdotal evidence; we have evidence. NHS for example spends about $3.4k per person in the UK while the US averages about $8.5k per person for health care.

Your story is cut but you are flat out wrong. It's PROVEN that healthcare is cheaper with single payer and the sooner its implemented the better.

bases_loaded;1832739 wrote:Businesses know the next 4 years won't be filled with more red tape and regulations. They are motivated to have a successful businessman running the country not a hand picked community organizer. The president isn't a life long politician despite the notion being pushed that to be one must be.

I don't need to pull my dick out on a message board to know who's the better man between the two of us. You work for someone else while I'm building a corporation, IRL you are the loser.


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Jesus Christ, do you honestly ever form your own opinions? Feels like your posts are just Fox News regurgitation.

Anyway, good luck on your corporation! I'm sure it's going to make a lot of money given your penchant for innovative and forward thinking ideas.

Single payer saves money by basically cramming down profits. That's all well and good when the US is subsidizing global healthcare, that is until we also go single payer.

But the money for drug and technology research will have to come from somewhere, and I'd expect the rest of the world to pull their weight about as much as they do in defense. The inevitable outcome is our healthcare bills will be lower, but our taxes will be higher to pick-up the slack in R&D and our true cost won't be all that different.

sleeper;1832741 wrote:Jesus Christ, do you honestly ever form your own opinions? Feels like your posts are just Fox News regurgitation.

Anyway, good luck on your corporation! I'm sure it's going to make a lot of money given your penchant for innovative and forward thinking ideas.

It has and will continue to. In two weeks we'll be the only company in North America with the machinery we'll have.

Lockheed Martin announced 1800 new jobs and will begin cutting the cost of production of the F-35 which no doubt lined Obamas Nobel peace pockets. Thanks Obama




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sleeper;1832660 wrote:Sure a useful contribution to this thread. Let me know when you can put together a coherent though or independent idea.

It isn't really worth the time honestly. Your routine is predictable and outdated. Your trolling skills are amateur at best.

Don't worry, you can still be redeemed.

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sleeper;1832706 wrote:I'm not an economist. I will say that I probably know more about how the world works than your you and your entire family tree.

I just find it interesting that Trump is getting credit for the positive economic news when he's not even in office and has done approximately zero work. Your partisanship is showing.

but he is and you cant deny that

bases_loaded;1832746 wrote:It has and will continue to. In two weeks we'll be the only company in North America with the machinery we'll have.

Lockheed Martin announced 1800 new jobs and will begin cutting the cost of production of the F-35 which no doubt lined Obamas Nobel peace pockets. Thanks Obama
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I'll believe the "cost savings" when I see it. I'm guessing it is more in the deferring the cost to future blocks and orders of the aircraft, or shifting the cost structure to more of our allies.

And what the hell with the statement that the money for the F-35 is going to Obama? What a fucking dumb ass statement.