sleeper;1831583 wrote:Sure. I still don't see why he gets the blame. What can Obama do given a Republican Congress that doesn't want to work with him? If you are going to blame Obama, Republicans deserve just as much blame further enhancing the irony of QO's shit posts.

sleeper;1831582 wrote:It's very difficult to find a job that pays a living wage. I'd love to see the Republican plan to address wage stagnation as we become a more automated society that requires less inputs to achieve greater output. So far, nothing but blaming Obama and pretending Trump is going to put job/wage growth on steroids by cutting taxes and denying climate change.

jmog;1831588 wrote:First 2 years in office Obama had a D HoR and a Filibuster Proof Supermajority D Senate. Middle 4 years he had a split Legislature. Only the last 2 has the Rs had both houses.

He didn't do jack for the economy in the 2 years he had all of the power.

sleeper;1831583 wrote:Sure. I still don't see why he gets the blame. What can Obama do given a Republican Congress that doesn't want to work with him? If you are going to blame Obama, Republicans deserve just as much blame further enhancing the irony of QO's shit posts.

iclfan2;1831586 wrote:Why did they blame Bush for everything? Did the democrats not have an all democrat congress for the first couple years? What did he try to pass that would have spurned growth and got blocked? Did democrats not block any action from the repubs as well? You don't get to defend Obama and cast no blame on him while simultaneously him blaming Bush for everything. Raising the minimum wage doesn't count as helping create jobs either.

Also, climate change is like 50th on the list of things to care about currently. Our people and our economy should be the top 20 on the list. And how do you propose ANYONE creates jobs for people who don't want to work in the first place? Why work when the government pays so well to not?

gut;1831594 wrote:That's largely of his own doing. He didn't need to work with Repubs his first two years, and didn't think he'd ever have to. That extreme partisanship from the Axis of Incompetence (Obama, Pelosi, Reid) basically set the table for the polarization we have today.

It's easy to blame Repubs....Obama and the Dems are at least as much to blame (and don't get me started on Reid's shenanigans as Senate Majority Leader).

sleeper;1831593 wrote:We have the best economy since George Bush left office. I'd say he did plenty.

sleeper;1831596 wrote:Dysfunction swings both ways. It wasn't Obama who declared before Day 1 of office "We are going to make Obama a 1-term President".

gut;1831597 wrote:No...look at GDP growth....look at the debt....looks at the deficits....look at labor participation. Best economy since Obama took office, probably. But most of his results are just propped up by easy money/printing money. There's nothing fundamentally strong about the Obamaconomy - W had the faux financial/mortgage boom, but at least he had something for a short while.

sleeper;1831595 wrote:Sure climate change isn't a priority, but to deny it is pretty ridiculous. That's our EPA chief now so you got your wish.

sleeper;1831600 wrote:I'm sure Romney would have fixed all of the above. Careful, your partisanship is showing.

gut;1831599 wrote:LOL, yeah that wasn't the Repubs, either. The famous quote you're referring to is from Mitch McConnell in Rolling Stone....in October 2010.

iclfan2;1831601 wrote:There is a difference in denying climate change and questioning man's actual impact. Of course if you try to say that the climate is cyclical and man's impact on it exists but no one knows how much exactly, you are a "climate change denier". When climate change stops being a money maker for people maybe the risks will be taken more seriously.

sleeper;1831603 wrote:The famous quote is the first public statement. I'm sure Republicans didn't just magically wake up one day and go "Yeah we need to stop him".

sleeper;1831593 wrote:We have the best economy since George Bush left office. I'd say he did plenty.

sleeper;1831582 wrote:It's very difficult to find a job that pays a living wage. I'd love to see the Republican plan to address wage stagnation as we become a more automated society that requires less inputs to achieve greater output. So far, nothing but blaming Obama and pretending Trump is going to put job/wage growth on steroids by cutting taxes and denying climate change.

gut;1831605 wrote:No, they didn't. Like I said, that quote comes after 18 months of being steamrolled by the Dems....that's a very, very different thing than "Day 1".

Hell, Dems aren't even waiting until Trump takes office to oppose and stop him.

jmog;1831608 wrote:Don't expect Sleeper to acknowledge the fact that he was wrong "before day 1" and 18 months later are one in the same to him.

sleeper;1831604 wrote:How fancy is your tin foil hat? I'm sure there is some mass conspiracy by the world's leading scientists to make up climate change to stick it to the evil businessman. Please.

iclfan2;1831625 wrote:This is exactly why people can't have competent discussions about climate change. If it was a fact on how much man's impact is vs. the cyclical nature of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And LOL at the "World's leading scientists".

sleeper;1831630 wrote:Yeah, those guys at NASA are real slouches.

There is no "discussion" about climate change. It's real. Period. Now go Bible thump.

iclfan2;1831637 wrote:The discussion isn't whether it is real or not, the climate is obviously changing. The discussion is the measurable and actual man made impact. Can you read? Are these the same scientists who originally called it global warming and then had to walk that back real quick? I believe that plants sending chemicals into the air has some sort of affect on the environment, as does almost everyone.

sleeper;1831638 wrote:Then you would disagree with Trump and his EPA chief who says climate change is not real. You own it!