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gut
Posts: 15,058
Feb 13, 2017 2:30pm
How do we know the leaks are coming from "senior admin" and not partisan career staffers with access? The way the liberal media is peeing their pants on a daily basis it wouldn't surprise me if some of the faithful are intentionally leaking damaging stories (fake or otherwise). The way he's going after some of these govt agencies a lot of people have to be very concerned for their jobs being eliminated. Think I saw a blurb that Trump wanted his staff to tighten-up access.ptown_trojans_1;1836970 wrote: Sure every administration has slow starts and bumps, but geesh. It seems like every day there is a story from one anonymous senior admin official spilling dirt on another one.
It's the Red shirts vs. the Brown shirts, and no matter who you root for we lose.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 13, 2017 2:35pm
I don't know, it could be hold overs, career staff members.gut;1836975 wrote:How do we know the leaks are coming from "senior admin" and not partisan career staffers with access? The way the liberal media is peeing their pants on a daily basis it wouldn't surprise me if some of the faithful are intentionally leaking damaging stories (fake or otherwise). The way he's going after some of these govt agencies a lot of people have to be very concerned for their jobs being eliminated. Think I saw a blurb that Trump wanted his staff to tighten-up access.
It's the Red shirts vs. the Brown shirts, and no matter who you root for we lose.
Either way, Trump billed himself as this great businessman that he alone can fix things.
So far, more than 3 weeks in, his house is still a mess.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Feb 13, 2017 2:46pm
Well, many disagree that he's a great businessman.....but in business, when you come in to transform things you usually run into resistance until you actually get down to cleaning house.ptown_trojans_1;1836983 wrote:I don't know, it could be hold overs, career staff members.
Either way, Trump billed himself as this great businessman that he alone can fix things.
So far, more than 3 weeks in, his house is still a mess.
I think there are problems you alluded to....I also think he's being undermined by people that fear losing their job and/or agenda. If the career staffers are at all representative, there are more than a few who probably believe they are "saving" the country by sabotaging him.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 13, 2017 2:52pm
Flynn will resign. Spicer will resign. Will you still call these leaks "fake"? Ignore the leaks, do you think it's a good idea for the President to hold a nuclear security briefing in the open at his private club? Which he increased from $100k annual fees to $200k annual fees after he become President? Can Trump go a day without a scandal?gut;1836975 wrote:How do we know the leaks are coming from "senior admin" and not partisan career staffers with access? The way the liberal media is peeing their pants on a daily basis it wouldn't surprise me if some of the faithful are intentionally leaking damaging stories (fake or otherwise). The way he's going after some of these govt agencies a lot of people have to be very concerned for their jobs being eliminated. Think I saw a blurb that Trump wanted his staff to tighten-up access.
It's the Red shirts vs. the Brown shirts, and no matter who you root for we lose.
We've entered a new paradigm where nothing is real unless it confirms your own reality. There's enough delusion in Trump's reality to believe these leaks are real.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 13, 2017 3:00pm
Or we elected a whack job as President...gut;1836992 wrote:Well, many disagree that he's a great businessman.....but in business, when you come in to transform things you usually run into resistance until you actually get down to cleaning house.
I think there are problems you alluded to....I also think he's being undermined by people that fear losing their job and/or agenda. If the career staffers are at all representative, there are more than a few who probably believe they are "saving" the country by sabotaging him.
But no, it's some conspiracy. Gotta be!
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 13, 2017 3:36pm
My wife and I chose to have an abortion when she got pregnant despite taking the pill prior to us being married. Whore? My mom had my brother and I premature and got pregnant by my father/her husband at 40 and also cared for my quadriplegic Uncle. She chose to have an abortion rather than a high risk pregnancy. She was a great mom and is now a great grandma. Whore? When I was at the clinic with my wife there were two middle aged white married women who didn't want more kids. Whores?iclfan2;1836760 wrote:You know how to not need abortions? Don't be a whore. Don't have sex unless you are responsible for the consequences. But apparently that's too much to ask from people.
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What I am liking about Trump's America is people aren't holding back. Instead of besting around the bush and using veiled language they openly advocate punishing the whores.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 13, 2017 4:16pm
Yes whores.BoatShoes;1837013 wrote:My wife and I chose to have an abortion when she got pregnant despite taking the pill prior to us being married. Whore? My mom had my brother and I premature and got pregnant by my father/her husband at 40 and also cared for my quadriplegic Uncle. She chose to have an abortion rather than a high risk pregnancy. She was a great mom and is now a great grandma. Whore? When I was at the clinic with my wife there were two middle aged white married women who didn't want more kids. Whores?
What I am liking about Trump's America is people aren't holding back. Instead of besting around the bush and using veiled language they openly advocate punishing the whores.
Moral superiority intensifies!
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 13, 2017 4:49pm
We did, and he was reelected in '12 ................now we are starting to clean up the mess.sleeper;1837003 wrote:Or we elected a whack job as President...
Draining the swamp is never pretty, and when it occurs in the public sector the waling and gnashing of teeth is often on full display.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 13, 2017 4:51pm
sleeper;1837021 wrote:Yes whores.
Moral superiority intensifies!
NYT 'reprimands' reporter for calling Melania 'hooker'...
Nice .........what were you saying ...........
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 13, 2017 4:51pm
Right back into rhetoric mode. Fails to address national security violations.QuakerOats;1837027 wrote:We did, and he was reelected in '12 ................now we are starting to clean up the mess.
Draining the swamp is never pretty, and when it occurs in the public sector the waling and gnashing of teeth is often on full display.
How does it feel to be a shill of the Republican party?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 13, 2017 5:28pm
It's not about the party; it's about doing right by The People.
Take care.
Take care.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 13, 2017 5:32pm
No it's clearly about party. You haven't shown an ounce of objectivity on this forum ever and I doubt so in real life. Enjoy your self-deluded bubble! Remember to vote for politicians who's main objective is to shove it in the those damn snowflakes face.QuakerOats;1837040 wrote:It's not about the party; it's about doing right by The People.
Take care.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 13, 2017 6:01pm
Ah, I see QQ is in that delusional mindset again where he thinks he's remotely qualified to either speak for "THE PEOPLE" or, at least, knows what doing right for "THE PEOPLE" is. Hilarious considering his posting history suggests that actually doing things for "THE PEOPLE" that might improve their personal quality of life isn't "doing right by 'THE PEOPLE'". It's always entertaining in a sad way to see a brain so twisted that it feels "doing right by 'THE PEOPLE'" involves building walls, instead of assisting with overly-priced medical costs.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 13, 2017 7:12pm
Ha I wasn't calling everyone who wants to get an abortion a whore. There are numerous reasons why someone would want one. It was an exaggeration because unlike your anecdotal evidence not everyone is as responsible as that and use it as birth control / think it's "cool" to have one (Lena Dunham and her ilk). Also what punishment did I say? If you read prior I am not against "abortions" per se. I just think it should be privately funded, as should a lot of other things regardless of political sides. Don't take everything on this message board so seriously.BoatShoes;1837013 wrote:My wife and I chose to have an abortion when she got pregnant despite taking the pill prior to us being married. Whore? My mom had my brother and I premature and got pregnant by my father/her husband at 40 and also cared for my quadriplegic Uncle. She chose to have an abortion rather than a high risk pregnancy. She was a great mom and is now a great grandma. Whore? When I was at the clinic with my wife there were two middle aged white married women who didn't want more kids. Whores?
What I am liking about Trump's America is people aren't holding back. Instead of besting around the bush and using veiled language they openly advocate punishing the whores.
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Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Feb 13, 2017 7:42pm
Why do you refuse to address the national security issues?QuakerOats;1837040 wrote:It's not about the party; it's about doing right by The People.
Take care.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 13, 2017 8:32pm
First off, it's clear that the immigration executive order had an element of politics in it. The list of countries was not chosen by Trump, but by Obama, and it's not hard to speculate why a country like Saudi Arabia was not included.
Compromise on full review and full enforcement of our CURRENT immigration requirements. From this point on, anyone who hasn't complied with that, are at risk and subject to enforcement. That means that everyone thinking Trump is going to send people into neighborhoods with nets to sweep up anyone who isn't "white" can breath easy. Trump has always taken the position that his targets are those breaking the law, nobody else. He isn't there to break up families, ruin businesses, etc.
Compromise on full review and full enforcement of our CURRENT immigration requirements. From this point on, anyone who hasn't complied with that, are at risk and subject to enforcement. That means that everyone thinking Trump is going to send people into neighborhoods with nets to sweep up anyone who isn't "white" can breath easy. Trump has always taken the position that his targets are those breaking the law, nobody else. He isn't there to break up families, ruin businesses, etc.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Feb 13, 2017 10:13pm
The Democrats are desperately seeking a scalp. They were hoping for a rejected cabinet nomination but the firing or resignation of any senior administration staff will fit the narrative of shit show circus you mentioned.ptown_trojans_1;1836970 wrote:I'm not 100% sure of the Flynn stories, but either way, man, oh man, it does not look good.
As to Flynn I am very skeptical at this point. IF he violated trust and lied to those who appointed him to his position he should and will be fired. If that was not the case they should stick by him.
These types of stories are not new to American politics. George HW Bush was said to have flown on an SR71 Blackbird to Paris in 1980 as the then VP candidate to negotiate a deal with the Iranians to hold off on releasing the hostages until after the election.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Feb 13, 2017 11:16pm
Flynn has fallen on his sword.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 14, 2017 8:25am
Great start there guys! : thumbup:
It's a fucking shame that a former Lt General has integrity issues.
It's a fucking shame that a former Lt General has integrity issues.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Feb 14, 2017 8:38am
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 14, 2017 9:00am
Draining the swamp, right?like_that;1837095 wrote:Great start there guys! : thumbup:
It's a fucking shame that a former Lt General has integrity issues.
Seriously, welcome to DC Donald.
Geesh what a dumb freaking move by Flynn. The move will only continue to fuel the Russia story.
On a good note, if Vice Adm. Robert Harward, a former deputy commander of the U.S. Central Command, is the new NSA, that is solid, solid pick. Someone needs to get in there and get a structure.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Feb 14, 2017 9:11am
In Washington misspoke = lie.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 14, 2017 9:20am
I guess these leaks are just made up by unhappy staffers. Anyone besides gut or QO still believe this?sleeper;1836998 wrote:Flynn will resign. Spicer will resign. Will you still call these leaks "fake"? Ignore the leaks, do you think it's a good idea for the President to hold a nuclear security briefing in the open at his private club? Which he increased from $100k annual fees to $200k annual fees after he become President? Can Trump go a day without a scandal?
We've entered a new paradigm where nothing is real unless it confirms your own reality. There's enough delusion in Trump's reality to believe these leaks are real.
Russia has compromised this administration. We need a full investigation all the way to the top on this and TREASON charges need to be levied for everyone involved in this scandal. It's been less than a month; when are Republicans going to grow a spine and remove this clown from office?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 14, 2017 9:33am
Cover up worse than the crime.majorspark;1837105 wrote:In Washington misspoke = lie.
Don't lie to the VP. Also, when the IC and DOJ has evidence he lied and may be a liability, his days were numbered.
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rocketalum
Posts: 268
Feb 14, 2017 9:59am
What I find troubling about this is the timeline of events. The acting AG informed the administration a month ago that Flynn had lied to them. If it wasn't for the WaPo story last night I'm doubtful any action would have been taken at all.