sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2017 3:47pm
Trump requested loyalty from Comey
Trump wants Comey to end investigation of Flynn
Trump wants 'the cloud' of the Russia investigation removed
Trump fires Comey
Nope, not obstruction of justice! LOL
Trump wants Comey to end investigation of Flynn
Trump wants 'the cloud' of the Russia investigation removed
Trump fires Comey
Nope, not obstruction of justice! LOL
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 7, 2017 3:54pm
Sleeper is gonna be extra butthurt tomorrow. :laugh:
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 7, 2017 3:58pm
Can you imagine if Obama did such a thing? Holy fuck. :laugh:sleeper;1857236 wrote:Trump requested loyalty from Comey
Trump wants Comey to end investigation of Flynn
Trump wants 'the cloud' of the Russia investigation removed
Trump fires Comey
Nope, not obstruction of justice! LOL
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2017 3:59pm
I even supported Obama and I would be calling for his removal from office.Automatik;1857243 wrote:Can you imagine if Obama did such a thing? Holy fuck. :laugh:
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2017 3:59pm
Our President committed obstruction of justice; America should be pissed.fish82;1857241 wrote:Sleeper is gonna be extra butthurt tomorrow. :laugh:
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 7, 2017 4:03pm
The Trump apologists do not give a fuck. They are all in.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 7, 2017 4:12pm
Cool. Save us some seats at the impeachment hearing.sleeper;1857245 wrote:Our President committed obstruction of justice; America should be pissed.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 7, 2017 4:13pm
sleeper;1857236 wrote:Trump requested loyalty from Comey
Trump wants Comey to end investigation of Flynn
Trump wants 'the cloud' of the Russia investigation removed
Trump fires Comey
Nope, not obstruction of justice! LOL
Neat. Where is the obstruction of justice?
Maybe check in on your lunch thread with your nothingburger tomorrow.
Good luck.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2017 4:22pm
Some would argue telling the Director the FBI to lay off the Flynn investigation would count...QuakerOats;1857253 wrote:Neat. Where is the obstruction of justice?
Maybe check in on your lunch thread with your nothingburger tomorrow.
Good luck.
An interesting read into the testimony from a pretty source on this sort of thing
https://lawfareblog.com/initial-comments-james-comeys-written-testimony
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 7, 2017 4:28pm
Less than surprising take by Ben Wittes.ptown_trojans_1;1857259 wrote:Some would argue telling the Director the FBI to lay off the Flynn investigation would count...
An interesting read into the testimony from a pretty source on this sort of thing
https://lawfareblog.com/initial-comments-james-comeys-written-testimony
Trump's conduct is clearly unprofessional, unseemly and it's easy to see why Comey said it made him uncomfortable.
That said, it's not even close to obstruction. Sorry.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2017 4:29pm
I'm on the fence on it myself. I just said some people.fish82;1857261 wrote:Less than surprising take by Ben Wittes.
Trump's conduct is clearly unprofessional, unseemly and it's easy to see why Comey said it made him uncomfortable.
That said, it's not even close to obstruction. Sorry.
We shall find out tomorrow in further testimony.
This is just the opening statement.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2017 4:40pm
That would require the GOP to choose country over party.fish82;1857252 wrote:Cool. Save us some seats at the impeachment hearing.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 7, 2017 4:40pm
Agreed...but Comey covers pretty much every angle of the left's "obstruction" meme in said statement. Unless he contradicts himself during testimony, (not that it wouldn't be the first time lol) there really isn't much if anything else to cover.ptown_trojans_1;1857264 wrote:I'm on the fence on it myself. I just said some people.
We shall find out tomorrow in further testimony.
This is just the opening statement.
The reaction to this all depends on what you were looking for going in. Trump collusion and obstruction of that collusion? No. Serious other issues? Yup. It shows a frustrated egotist puzzled as to why he's being linked with Russia, and lashing out foolishly. That's pretty much it.
If Dems hadn't wildly overplayed the notion that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, this testimony would hurt him. They did. So it won't.
But it shouldn't prevent conservatives and moderates from calling a spade a spade. Trump obviously behaved inappropriately. If Obama had said “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty" to the Director of the FBI, the usual suspects here would have probably gone nuclear.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 7, 2017 4:41pm
ptown_trojans_1;1857259 wrote:Some would argue telling the Director the FBI to lay off the Flynn investigation would count...
And we know who they are.
Had it been, in actuality, then Comey would be looking at jail time. Obviously, that is not the case.
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rocketalum
Posts: 268
Jun 7, 2017 4:41pm
Agree it's incredibily inappropriate and reaffirms my opinion that Trump is totally incompetent and believes he's the CEO of America. He's an awful person and bad at his job. Also agree that I'm on the fence about if anything we know so far is obstruction. It's on the border for sure. Just having these conversations puts it close. Having the conversations then firing, that may push it over but it's by no means cut and dry. Again Trump has nobody to blame but himself. Just don't say stuff like this to the director of the FBI and nobody is even thinking about obstruction. He's 70 year old bully child who's his own worst political enemy.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 7, 2017 4:46pm
Don't be obtuse....Obama had Holder and Lynch for thatfish82;1857269 wrote:If Obama had said “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty" to the Director of the FBI, the usual suspects here would have probably gone nuclear.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jun 7, 2017 4:47pm
And yet we had the former prez arranging a meeting between his Attorney General and the husband of a presidential candidate who was under federal criminal investigation.
And the media went on snooze.
And some people STILL don't understand why Trump was elected.
And the media went on snooze.
And some people STILL don't understand why Trump was elected.
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rocketalum
Posts: 268
Jun 7, 2017 4:54pm
Occasionally between all the hyperbole you actually make a valid point. That was wholly inappropriate. The meeting and the relative silence. But one person/party being shady does not equate to the other getting a pass. That's not how adults or the real world works. Hold your public officials to higher standards than "they started it". My two year old twins pull that.QuakerOats;1857274 wrote:And yet we had the former prez arranging a meeting between his Attorney General and the husband of a presidential candidate who was under federal criminal investigation.
And the media went on snooze.
And some people STILL don't understand why Trump was elected.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 7, 2017 4:55pm
That's probably more accurate than we realize. He's not a savvy politician - he doesn't know how to do these things thru the proper channels, but rather is acting like a micro-managing CEO.rocketalum;1857271 wrote:Agree it's incredibily inappropriate and reaffirms my opinion that Trump is totally incompetent and believes he's the CEO of America.
He's getting eaten alive by the press and Washington politique. He has no clue how to navigate these waters. I'd like to see that as a positive, and would hate to think that Trump proves an outsider can't manage. This isn't checks and balances but deliberate undermining. Maybe we can say the ends justifies the means, but I find it deeply troubling that Washington is undermining a duly elected POTUS because they disagree with him....it's an absolute afront to the will of the people, and I can't stand Trump but this is disturbing.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 7, 2017 4:59pm
Welcome to US politics in the 21st century...Politicians will continue these abuses because their voters are blindly partisan.rocketalum;1857279 wrote:Hold your public officials to higher standards than "they started it".
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rocketalum
Posts: 268
Jun 7, 2017 4:59pm
There's probably guilt on both sides. 'The Establishment' trying to undermine someone who isn't one of them and Trump being to stubborn/ignorant to understand that the structure of government was created specifically to stop people from running it like the boss of America. He needs to learn his place in the system our founders created and the Establishment needs to accept that he was duly elected.gut;1857281 wrote:That's probably more accurate than we realize. He's not a savvy politician - he doesn't know how to do these things thru the proper channels, but rather is acting like a micro-managing CEO.
He's getting eaten alive by the press and Washington politique. He has no clue how to navigate these waters. I'd like to see that as a positive, and would hate to think that Trump proves an outsider can't manage. This isn't checks and balances but deliberate undermining. Maybe we can say the ends justifies the means, but I find it deeply troubling that Washington is undermining a duly elected POTUS because they disagree with him....it's an absolute afront to the will of the people, and I can't stand Trump but this is disturbing.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 7, 2017 5:11pm
Logic failure once again, congrats.sleeper;1857186 wrote:I already explained to you why Fox News has the highest viewership but please tell me more about how the world is 6,000 years old and Dinosaurs were walking around when Jesus was alive.
Please tell me more Mr. Scientist.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 7, 2017 5:42pm
No doubt, but the obstruction/undermining started IMMEDIATELY after he won the election. Don't disagree that a more savvy CEO would get a lay of the land first and choose their battles carefully.rocketalum;1857283 wrote:He needs to learn his place in the system our founders created and the Establishment needs to accept that he was duly elected.
Republicans have generally reluctantly gone along, with some uncharacteristic tough pushback and rebukes (of course, Trump isn't really a Republican). But the media and Dems saw him as an ideological threat to many of their victories, and probably Obama's legacy in particular....and they certainly didn't choose their battles but are trying to block him on everything. We'll have to see if anything of consequence can get thru the Senate filibuster.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2017 8:53pm
Great NPR podcast about Kansas and it's attempt at GOP economic nirvana:
Fail.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/01/11/509378842/episode-577-the-kansas-experimentSam Brownback cut taxes dramatically in Kansas. As a Republican governor of a Republican state, he was going to enact the dream. Taxes on small businesses went down to zero. Personal income taxes went down. The tax rate on the highest income bracket went down about 25 percent. Brownback promised prosperous times for the state once government got out of the way.
One goal of the tax cuts was to get more money to flow back into the pockets of hard-working, job-creating Kansans. The other was to trim back government spending. It was part of the Republican dream.
After these tax cuts, Kansas had $600 million less revenue than before. So, to balance the budget, the government tapped into the highway budget. Towns and cities trimmed back, too.
Marquette, Kansas saw its only school close in 2014. Now, the 65 kids who once attended Marquette Elementary travel 10 to 20 miles out of town every day to go to class.
Sam Brownback has said that he's sticking to his tax plan. But the state legislature has recently introduced a bill to roll back some of his tax cuts.
Today on the show, what happens when a state really puts tax cuts to the test.
Fail.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jun 7, 2017 9:06pm
To paraphrase Comey on Hillary - no reasonable prosecutor would take that case given the facts and circumstances.fish82;1857261 wrote:Less than surprising take by Ben Wittes.
Trump's conduct is clearly unprofessional, unseemly and it's easy to see why Comey said it made him uncomfortable.
That said, it's not even close to obstruction. Sorry.