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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 9:48am
Oh, I know I don't speak for everyone but you're one of the few. Hell, I don't think even the key players (LBJ, KI) think they can beat GS in a 7 game series after the addition of KD and this Finals.SportsAndLady;1857845 wrote:You don't represent or speak for all cavs fans. I'm a cavs fan who doesn't think we have to "blow it up" to beat golden state.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 9, 2017 9:51am
I doubt they do a major shakeup at the end of the year, regardless of what happens in this series. They will make moves but the core of TT, KI, Love, and LBJ isn't going anywhere. I'd be surprised if JR was shipped out, Shumpert is likely on the block.superman;1857827 wrote:Not disagreeing with you but who are they bringing in? No one is taking that TT contract. They aren't bringing in someone better than Love to play the 4. There just aren't many options.
There just isn't much cap space and not a lot of useful talent for the rest of the league. Griffin is a wizard though so who knows.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 10:58am
Sounds like we have a little "drama" for tonight. Apparently, when Durant hit that 3 pointer to put the Warriors up late in Game 3, Steph Curry squatted like he was taking a dump on the Cavs floor? Cavs players were pretty pissed.
Where do they come up with this stuff? Did anyone else notice this?
Where do they come up with this stuff? Did anyone else notice this?
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jun 9, 2017 11:10am
No you do. IMO Cleveland pressured by Lebron tried to make a team that could run with Golden State, problem is that's a nearly impossible task.SportsAndLady;1857845 wrote:You don't represent or speak for all cavs fans. I'm a cavs fan who doesn't think we have to "blow it up" to beat golden state.
Cleveland has to create their own identity and become a team that can disrupt Golden State, instead of some very good offensive team that cannot defend
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 9, 2017 11:15am
That team was created to beat GSW and their last year. Cavs were well on their way to winning another this year. No one figured the 2nd best player in the NBA would pull the biggest beta bitch move in history to join a 73 win season.Classyposter58;1857867 wrote:No you do. IMO Cleveland pressured by Lebron tried to make a team that could run with Golden State, problem is that's a nearly impossible task.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 11:29am
Unfortunately, they are going to have to recreate themselves again because this team, as constructed, won't beat GSW. I'm just hoping they figure out a way to do it.like_that;1857873 wrote:That team was created to beat GSW and their last year. Cavs were well on their way to winning another this year. No one figured the 2nd best player in the NBA would pull the biggest beta bitch move in history to join a 73 win season.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jun 9, 2017 11:44am
Highly disagree. Cleveland doesn't win that series unless Lebron has arguably the greatest 3 game stretch in Finals history. Sure Golden State added Durant, but they maintained a good bench while Cleveland gave out shitty contracts and has arguably the worst bench in the NBAlike_that;1857873 wrote:That team was created to beat GSW and their last year. Cavs were well on their way to winning another this year. No one figured the 2nd best player in the NBA would pull the biggest beta bitch move in history to join a 73 win season.
It was obvious in Game 3 that the Cavs simply ran out of gas in those last 3 minutes
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 9, 2017 11:50am
Your argument is that Lebron played great, so they wouldn't beat them (Kyrie did as well fyi)? lol, ok. Lebron played great in the 2015 finals as well and by numbers he is playing pretty well this year too. I think it is safe to say the Cavs can count on Lerbon. The Cavs cracked the code last year on GSW's roster last year. If the same teams met, I would vote with confidence that Cavs win in 6. Hell, I would bet that a healthy Thunder or Spurs knock GSW out in the WCF. KD going to GSW completely changes everything.Classyposter58;1857881 wrote:Highly disagree. Cleveland doesn't win that series unless Lebron has arguably the greatest 3 game stretch in Finals history. Sure Golden State added Durant, but they maintained a good bench while Cleveland gave out shitty contracts and has arguably the worst bench in the NBA
It was obvious in Game 3 that the Cavs simply ran out of gas in those last 3 minutes
Why don't you report back to us after 4 PM to tell us Russillo's opinion?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 9, 2017 11:56am
In your opinion, what should they do / moves to make to beat Golden State next year? Assuming this GS team stays in tact.Classyposter58;1857867 wrote:No you do. IMO Cleveland pressured by Lebron tried to make a team that could run with Golden State, problem is that's a nearly impossible task.
Cleveland has to create their own identity and become a team that can disrupt Golden State, instead of some very good offensive team that cannot defend
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:03pm
This.superman;1857827 wrote:No one is taking that TT contract.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:05pm
Why are you still here?Classyposter58;1857867 wrote:No you do. IMO Cleveland pressured by Lebron tried to make a team that could run with Golden State, problem is that's a nearly impossible task.
Cleveland has to create their own identity and become a team that can disrupt Golden State, instead of some very good offensive team that cannot defend
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:09pm
After having that 73 win team BEAT at OKC.like_that;1857873 wrote:That team was created to beat GSW and their last year. Cavs were well on their way to winning another this year. No one figured the 2nd best player in the NBA would pull the biggest beta bitch move in history to join a 73 win season.
Lebron handled this question well with the media, on how what KD did was different. While Lebron was a jackass in the way everything went down, he (and the Heat) had to build a roster, even though it was a damn good roster. KD just jumped on a super team that was already put together... Fuck him.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:10pm
I have no doubt in my mind that, without KD, this could have gone down of one of the best finals in history. And the way the Cavs steamrolled the east, I think they'd have been the odds-on favorites.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:11pm
Classy, this is sarcasm. No one wants you back.like_that;1857884 wrote:Why don't you report back to us after 4 PM to tell us Russillo's opinion?
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 9, 2017 12:12pm
Probably trade some players with Detroit Tigers. Have you seen their lineup? Wow.Automatik;1857886 wrote:In your opinion, what should they do / moves to make to beat Golden State next year? Assuming this GS team stays in tact.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 12:33pm
Classyposter58;1857881 wrote:Highly disagree. Cleveland doesn't win that series unless Lebron has arguably the greatest 3 game stretch in Finals history. Sure Golden State added Durant, but they maintained a good bench while Cleveland gave out shitty contracts and has arguably the worst bench in the NBA
It was obvious in Game 3 that the Cavs simply ran out of gas in those last 3 minutes
I don't know that I'd say "arguably the worst bench in the NBA. Earlier in the year, I'd heard that the Cavs had one of the deepest benches in the league. The guys that they added/have are more specialists than anything. I think they added some of these guys to combat last year's Warriors and kind of underestimated the impact KD was going to have.
I do agree with your earlier comment about a defensive identity. I think the mindset this year was "we're just going to run you out of the gym and screw the defense." That works against 28 other teams but GSW's are a different animal.
I still contend that this series wouldn't be as one-sided had the Cavs tried to play more like Game 7 (last year's Finals) than the games they got blown out in (up tempo).
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 9, 2017 12:35pm
TT's contract under the new CPA is pure gold. Many/EVERY team would take it.ernest_t_bass;1857894 wrote:This.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 9, 2017 12:38pm
ernest_t_bass;1857899 wrote:Probably trade some players with Detroit Tigers. Have you seen their lineup? Wow.
I'm genuinely interested, because I have no fucking clue what I would do.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 12:45pm
"If" they want to reconstruct the roster, they are probably going to have to dump TT or Love. Likely targets? Paul George? Jimmy Butler? They would probably also have to convince a pretty good player to come in on the cheap. They are going to need a 4th gun to combat the Warriors top 4.Automatik;1857913 wrote:I'm genuinely interested, because I have no fucking clue what I would do.
The thing that really sucks about GSW is that even if they take 2 of their best guys off the floor, they still have 2 that can stave off the opposition. If LBJ/KI or LBJ/K-Love leave for extended minutes, the boat usually starts taking on water.
Or, they just stand pat and say "we're fucked" like the rest of the league.
Also the possibility of bringing in a new coach who might know how to coach against a team like GSW?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 9, 2017 12:51pm
I still don't think any of those moves will be enough to beat Golden State as they are now.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 9, 2017 12:52pm
Collision and recruit.Automatik;1857913 wrote:I'm genuinely interested, because I have no fucking clue what I would do.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 9, 2017 12:54pm
If they could somehow get Paul George AND keep K-Love (pipe dream), I'd like those 4 (LBJ/KI/PG/Love) against their 4.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jun 9, 2017 1:00pm
Larry Brown lol? Going to talk about Detroit here but I remember when the Pistons won in 2004 how heavily favored the Lakers were. Detroit just absolutely suffocated everyone while letting Kobe and Shaq get theirs, and if not for an OT loss would've easily swept LA. Heck I'll never forget Game 3 where they beat LA 88-68 and Phil Jackson looked totally lost.BR1986FB;1857916 wrote:"If" they want to reconstruct the roster, they are probably going to have to dump TT or Love. Likely targets? Paul George? Jimmy Butler? They would probably also have to convince a pretty good player to come in on the cheap. They are going to need a 4th gun to combat the Warriors top 4.
The thing that really sucks about GSW is that even if they take 2 of their best guys off the floor, they still have 2 that can stave off the opposition. If LBJ/KI or LBJ/K-Love leave for extended minutes, the boat usually starts taking on water.
Or, they just stand pat and say "we're fucked" like the rest of the league.
Also the possibility of bringing in a new coach who might know how to coach against a team like GSW?
I know this Golden State team is a different animal but the point remains you have to attempt to beat up and bully an offensive team like this. Regardless of personnel I think we can agree that the Warriors are getting far too easy of looks in this series
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 9, 2017 1:03pm
A lakers team with washed up vets, they were only favored by name. Anyway nobody gives a fuck about Detroit. You were like 7 years old then.Classyposter58;1857926 wrote:Larry Brown lol? Going to talk about Detroit here but I remember when the Pistons won in 2004 how heavily favored the Lakers were. Detroit just absolutely suffocated everyone while letting Kobe and Shaq get theirs, and if not for an OT loss would've easily swept LA. Heck I'll never forget Game 3 where they beat LA 88-68 and Phil Jackson looked totally lost.
I know this Golden State team is a different animal but the point remains you have to attempt to beat up and bully an offensive team like this. Regardless of personnel I think we can agree that the Warriors are getting far too easy of looks in this series
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Jun 9, 2017 1:06pm
Isn't David Griffin's contract up this year, too? It's no guarantee he will be around to work more magic.