Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 29, 2016 10:33pm
God Bless Kipnis.
Not sure what you all were watching, but what view did you see to overturn that call? Pretty obvious he would be out. All 4 angles were blocked.
Not sure what you all were watching, but what view did you see to overturn that call? Pretty obvious he would be out. All 4 angles were blocked.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 29, 2016 10:34pm
Then he needs to get his fat ass in better shape-lol...but no, he didn't do his job--closers don't walk back to back hitters. Period.Laley23;1808880 wrote:He did. Allen has never been great as a 2 inning pitcher. He gets tired after about 25 pitches.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Aug 29, 2016 10:37pm
SMH.............Laley23;1808880 wrote:He gets tired after about 25 pitches.
Oh well.
Go Tribe.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 29, 2016 10:39pm
Allen got 5 outs. Tito tried to stretch him further than he should've. Period.vball10set;1808902 wrote:Then he needs to get his fat ass in better shape-lol...but no, he didn't do his job--closers don't walk back to back hitters. Period.
You can't have guys specialize in shit, like pen pitching, and then extend them beyond what they train their bodies for. You have other guys in the pen you train for 50 pitches. Most are 1 inning guys.
Hell, some lefty releivers are only working out and have the arm to go like 15 pitches because they are only asked to get 1-2 hitters out in a game.
Trying to stretch a bullpen mans arm out for longer outings results in a decline in their stuff.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Aug 29, 2016 10:51pm
Good win.
We are all Kipnises.
Go Tribe.
We are all Kipnises.
Go Tribe.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Aug 29, 2016 10:56pm
Good win, good pitching. Still need to see more offense. On to the roller coaster that is Tomlin tomorrow. 
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 30, 2016 7:31am
blah, blah, blah--again, closers doing their job DO NOT walk back to back hitters. Maybe he should be relegated to a situational one batter pitcher if he can't go more than three guys. Anyway, good win, now let's get another tonight...GO TRIBE!Laley23;1808904 wrote:Allen got 5 outs. Tito tried to stretch him further than he should've. Period.
You can't have guys specialize in shit, like pen pitching, and then extend them beyond what they train their bodies for. You have other guys in the pen you train for 50 pitches. Most are 1 inning guys.
Hell, some lefty releivers are only working out and have the arm to go like 15 pitches because they are only asked to get 1-2 hitters out in a game.
Trying to stretch a bullpen mans arm out for longer outings results in a decline in their stuff.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 30, 2016 8:22am
To be frank, I didn't see anything to overturn the call, but I didn't see a tag either. To use an actual umpire standard, you must see a tag to call someone out...you can't assume a tag.Laley23;1808901 wrote:God Bless Kipnis.
Not sure what you all were watching, but what view did you see to overturn that call? Pretty obvious he would be out. All 4 angles were blocked.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Aug 30, 2016 8:34am
Is it too early to play the "what inning will Tomlin give up a homer" game?
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 30, 2016 9:27am
It's never too early.iclfan2;1808919 wrote:Is it too early to play the "what inning will Tomlin give up a homer" game?
I'll go with the 1st inning. First batter. Get ahead fastball to Dozier that ends up in the bleachers.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Aug 30, 2016 9:57am
Let's pretend Tomlin gets shelled...again....tonight. Will they finally skip his next start? Give Clevinger a start?
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 30, 2016 10:08am
For what it's worth...pro baseball bettors hitting the over (9.5 runs) hard in his game. Combination of Albers not starting a big league game since 2013 and Tomlin's recent form. The Tribe are just not hitting, though.Benny The Jet;1808923 wrote:Let's pretend Tomlin gets shelled...again....tonight. Will they finally skip his next start? Give Clevinger a start?
The Twins last 6 games before last night they gave up 9,8,15,8,9 and 8 runs. Come to Cleveland and it's 9 shutout innings.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 30, 2016 10:11am
Tito almost has to, imo...at least I hope so.Benny The Jet;1808923 wrote:Let's pretend Tomlin gets shelled...again....tonight. Will they finally skip his next start? Give Clevinger a start?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 30, 2016 10:32am
You keep saying this. But it's not even true lol. Allen has to be pulled before Sano even steps in. Even Hammy was calling for it..."single by Plouffe, and now Tito has to look at pulling Allen. He is already out for tomorrow and is tiring for tonight. He's well over 25 pitches, which is about his limit."vball10set;1808917 wrote:blah, blah, blah--again, closers doing their job DO NOT walk back to back hitters. Maybe he should be relegated to a situational one batter pitcher if he can't go more than three guys. Anyway, good win, now let's get another tonight...GO TRIBE!
Allen went K, FO, 2B, K, K, FO, BB, 1B (needs taken out), BB (is taken out). Again, he did his job, Tito just got greedy and tried to extend him since Miller and Shaw had been used already. It's NOT a closers job to go through the entire lineup. It's not anyone in the Pens job to do that, aside from the guys who are there for it.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 30, 2016 10:53am
Molitor tried the same thing. Brought in Kintzler to get the last out of the 8th. He got through the 9th rather easily and then they sent him back out for the 10th. That type of guy isn't used to sitting down between innings and then getting fired back up again...let alone twice. And you could tell he didn't have it in the 10th despite an efficient pitch count going into the inning.Laley23;1808928 wrote:You keep saying this. But it's not even true lol. Allen has to be pulled before Sano even steps in. Even Hammy was calling for it..."single by Plouffe, and now Tito has to look at pulling Allen. He is already out for tomorrow and is tiring for tonight. He's well over 25 pitches, which is about his limit."
Allen went K, FO, 2B, K, K, FO, BB, 1B (needs taken out), BB (is taken out). Again, he did his job, Tito just got greedy and tried to extend him since Miller and Shaw had been used already. It's NOT a closers job to go through the entire lineup. It's not anyone in the Pens job to do that, aside from the guys who are there for it.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Aug 30, 2016 11:21am
For tonight's game it is the Josh Tomlin drinking game. You take a drink every time he gives up a home run.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 30, 2016 1:07pm
Laley23;1808928 wrote:You keep saying this. But it's not even true lol. Allen has to be pulled before Sano even steps in. Even Hammy was calling for it..."single by Plouffe, and now Tito has to look at pulling Allen. He is already out for tomorrow and is tiring for tonight. He's well over 25 pitches, which is about his limit."
Allen went K, FO, 2B, K, K, FO, BB, 1B (needs taken out), BB (is taken out). Again, he did his job, Tito just got greedy and tried to extend him since Miller and Shaw had been used already. It's NOT a closers job to go through the entire lineup. It's not anyone in the Pens job to do that, aside from the guys who are there for it.
point taken...and to be honest, I've been critical of Tito's handling of late, so this does follow the trend (for the record, though, I'm a HUGE Tito fan--wouldn't want any other coach in the league)TBone14;1808933 wrote:Molitor tried the same thing. Brought in Kintzler to get the last out of the 8th. He got through the 9th rather easily and then they sent him back out for the 10th. That type of guy isn't used to sitting down between innings and then getting fired back up again...let alone twice. And you could tell he didn't have it in the 10th despite an efficient pitch count going into the inning.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 30, 2016 1:55pm
I agree Allen should have never faced sano. I think tonight is tomlins last chance. If he struggles I bet we see clevinger the rest of the year
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Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 30, 2016 7:12pm
That didn't take long smh
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Gardens35
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Aug 30, 2016 7:12pm
LOL, drink up. One pitch....its Dozier 1 Tribe 0.
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cat_lover
Posts: 2,388
Aug 30, 2016 7:13pm
One pitch. One Home Run and the Josh Tomlin drinking game is off and running.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 30, 2016 7:14pm
Wow.TBone14;1808921 wrote:It's never too early.
I'll go with the 1st inning. First batter. Get ahead fastball to Dozier that ends up in the bleachers.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 30, 2016 7:15pm
Thanks. I'll be here all week.TBone14;1808921 wrote:It's never too early.
I'll go with the 1st inning. First batter. Get ahead fastball to Dozier that ends up in the bleachers.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 30, 2016 7:28pm
Kip with a solo shot. Should be 2-2 but dumbass Davis gets caught stealing 3rd after a lead off double smh
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TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 30, 2016 7:29pm
Kip gets half back. Solo job after Rajai was caught stealing.
2-1. Hopefully Tomlin can settle in and give us 5 and only give up 1 more max.
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2-1. Hopefully Tomlin can settle in and give us 5 and only give up 1 more max.
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