iclfan2;1804798 wrote:Ugh, Kipnis drops a double play ball to end the inning, Carrasco walks the 9th hitter (and two other ones), and the leadoff batter gets a single to score 2. 2-0 Tribe. Carrasco already at 50 pitches in the 2nd inning.

you mean 2-0 Nats? and as I said yesterday, wtf is it with our starting pitchers and the first couple of innings?? there's no excuse at this juncture of the season

Yea, whoops. Sac bunt in the 3rd inning by Giminez, you don't see that everyday.

Well this hasn't been a good game at all. Strasberg is good. And our turning double plays is bad.

iclfan2;1804811 wrote:Well this hasn't been a good game at all. Strasberg is good. And our turning double plays is bad.

unfortunately last night was a fluke--I see a steady diet of lost series' in our immediate future--our pitching has gone to hell

vball10set;1804813 wrote:unfortunately last night was a fluke--I see a steady diet of lost series' in our immediate future--our pitching has gone to hell

The good news is we have played the most road games so far in baseball so we have the most home games left...which is nice. Also...we get last place Oakland and Minnesota in town for the next week so hopefully we can beat up on them and get back on track.

TBone14;1804815 wrote:The good news is we have played the most road games so far in baseball so we have the most home games left...which is nice. Also...we get last place Oakland and Minnesota in town for the next week so hopefully we can beat up on them and get back on track.

I like your optimism, but Minny's been a thorn in our side this season...and I'm still very concerned about our starting pitching, which has been our strength thus far. I sure hope you're right.

Our hitting hasn't been doing that well either. I mean today was Strasberg, but the guy yesterday and most of the Orioles starters weren't great. I'm not as worried, but they haven't seemed sharp since the break, as seen by the lack of turning double plays.

I think we will be alright. We aren't as good as team that was smoking hot winning 14 straight games but we aren't as bad as we have looked over the last 5 days. A week in baseball is a small sample. They are just in a little mini slump...a lull. The team that is playing their best baseball in July usually doesn't win shit. Muddle through a rough patch...keep the lead in the division and the peak again and start playing great baseball down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Not to mention, we arent playing THAT bad.

We went on the road versus the top two teams in the league at their place. Went 2-4 in those games. Then played, arguably, the best team in baseball and went 1-1 (fluke or not, we got the win last night). Nats are #1 in pitching in NL, #1 in fielding in NL, #4 in RS in NL, and have power and speed up and down that lineup.

So, in conclusion, we are 5-6 since the ASG. Played 6 games on the road versus the 2 top teams at home and then the best team in baseball.

Thanks for the positivity, guys, and I'd love nothing more than to be eating humble pie next month....GO TRIBE!

Go Tribe.

cat_lover;1804848 wrote:Go Tribe.

Split means you're up again!!

Also, to further my point, Orioles are ridiculous at home. While a sweep sucks, they are 21-4 in their last 25 home games.

Laley23;1804854 wrote:Split means you're up again!!

Also, to further my point, Orioles are ridiculous at home. While a sweep sucks, they are 21-4 in their last 25 home games.

Buck Showalter is a damn good manager

Ironman92;1804747 wrote:Does this great win actually lessen the Indians chances to win it all...or even in the playoffs? They exposed another contender and a washed up big time closer in Washington and Papelbon. Does this comeback maybe force Washington's hand to go hard after Andrew Miller, thus taking away another Cleveland addition?

vball10set;1804756 wrote:
No

Definitely. After going 7 straight games without an earned run, he's giving up 6 in the last 2 games. Also, not only did Morosi tweet about it on Wednesday, Underwood and Manning mentioned it on the broadcast.

@jonmorosi Word in industry this morning is #Nats have intensified their efforts to acquire a reliever after last night's walk-off loss

Wade Davis, David Robertson and Andrew Miller seem to be their top targets.

sportswizuhrd;1804860 wrote:Definitely. After going 7 straight games without an earned run, he's giving up 6 in the last 2 games. Also, not only did Morosi tweet about it on Wednesday, Underwood and Manning mentioned it on the broadcast.

@jonmorosi Word in industry this morning is #Nats have intensified their efforts to acquire a reliever after last night's walk-off loss

Wade Davis, David Robertson and Andrew Miller seem to be their top targets.

it will NOT be Miller--Yankees already said he's off the table

edit: I don't care how good a team is at home--if you're going to be a contender you can't get swept...period.

David Robertson has been bad of late.

vball10set;1804871 wrote:it will NOT be Miller--Yankees already said he's off the table

edit: I don't care how good a team is at home--if you're going to be a contender you can't get swept...period.

That's not true at all. The Royals won the World Series last year....they got swept multiple times. The Mets played them in the World Series- they got swept 4 times last year. 5 if you count a 2 game series.

A sweep is nothing more than 3 games out of 162. It doesn't matter where they happen to fall or in what order. You could win 2 of 3 in a series but lose the last one. Lose the first 2 of the next 4 game series and then win the last two to split...and you still lost 3 in a row.

TBone14;1804875 wrote:That's not true at all. The Royals won the World Series last year....they got swept multiple times. The Mets played them in the World Series- they got swept 4 times last year. 5 if you count a 2 game series.

A sweep is nothing more than 3 games out of 162. It doesn't matter where they happen to fall or in what order. You could win 2 of 3 in a series but lose the last one. Lose the first 2 of the next 4 game series and then win the last two to split...and you still lost 3 in a row.

I was saying this rhetorically, not literally...no matter how you spin it, the Indians are not playing good baseball right now. If they are going to be a player come September, they need to resume what got them to where they're at now--good pitching, timely hitting and solid defense.

vball10set;1804877 wrote:I was saying this rhetorically, not literally...no matter how you spin it, the Indians are not playing good baseball right now. If they are going to be a player come September, they need to resume what got them to where they're at now--good pitching, timely hitting and solid defense.

All I'm saying is that we are looking at blocks of 3 games...5 games...etc as if they are life and death because we are living in that moment. But when you take a step back...it's such a small window of the season. They are not playing their best...I agree. And if they don't play better down the stretch we could blow the division/playoffs...etc. But it's such a small snapshot. All teams deal with it...even the teams who were in the World Series last year were swept in 3 or 4 games 6 times combined.

Not apples to apples and probably over simplistic...but 3 baseball games equates just a shade over 1 quarter of 1 football game in the NFL football season. Nobody judges a team by how they play in a single quarter. Now, if you start stringing back quarters together...then you have issues.

I think our expectations are little out of wack. We are half game out of being the best team in AL.

vball10set;1804871 wrote:it will NOT be Miller--Yankees already said he's off the table

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/al/new-york-yankees/heyman-chances-yankees-trade-andrew-miller/

From Jon Heyman's story...

“No chance,” one Yankees connected person said of a potential Miller trade.
Of course that doesn’t mean Cashman will stop looking into anything and everything. One rival said the ask has been “prohibitive.” That’s no surprise considering Miller has two more years under contract at a reasonable rate (Chapman is a free agent) and no blemishes on his record.
Considering how much the Yankees got for Aroldis Chapman, a rental, can you imagine the price tag on Miller? He has an additional two years, at $9 million a year, meaning there’s five times as much time left on his deal.
The Indians, Nationals, Giants, Dodgers, Cardinals and others are all looking for a big-time reliever.

Buster Olney is also reporting in an ESPN Insider article that Cashman is still fielding offers for Miller.

Miller is getting traded.

Call me sleeper if you must