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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 1, 2016 3:53pm
sleeper;1789761 wrote:http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42
Or try google if you don't like the bias. It's not exactly a hidden fact.
I'm not buying it. It appears they are including the cost of the trials also; there would be a murder trial regardless of the ultimate sentence, would there not? And I note the data seem to come from California; obviously in that fucked up state they could figure out a way to make it cost more to put the convicted to death versus life in prison. I am sure in most states, a trial could occur, appeals could run a few years, and then execution. California no doubt allows appeals and extensions to run forever, and then probably end up never executing the convict, but still count it in their cost analysis to skew it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 4:54pm
Not all murder trials seek the death penalty. That's the difference.QuakerOats;1789877 wrote:I'm not buying it. It appears they are including the cost of the trials also; there would be a murder trial regardless of the ultimate sentence, would there not? And I note the data seem to come from California; obviously in that fucked up state they could figure out a way to make it cost more to put the convicted to death versus life in prison. I am sure in most states, a trial could occur, appeals could run a few years, and then execution. California no doubt allows appeals and extensions to run forever, and then probably end up never executing the convict, but still count it in their cost analysis to skew it.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 1, 2016 5:02pm
A trial is a trial.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 5:03pm
You don't live in reality.QuakerOats;1789882 wrote:A trial is a trial.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 1, 2016 5:09pm
Please explain how the trial costs differ when seeking to convict one of murder wherein the prosecution is seeking the death penalty versus life in prison. Same attorneys, same witnesses, same judge, same court, same everything ........except the sentence after the trial.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 5:26pm
1) Attorneys spend more time and allocated more staff for death penalty casesQuakerOats;1789886 wrote:Please explain how the trial costs differ when seeking to convict one of murder wherein the prosecution is seeking the death penalty versus life in prison. Same attorneys, same witnesses, same judge, same court, same everything ........except the sentence after the trial.
2) The law states you must have two defense attorneys on cases seeking the death penalty
3) Separate sentencing phases from; adds more time to trials
4) Special rules allowing for expert testimony; not cheap
5) Defense usually will spend money to hire comprehensive evaluations, medical and mental
6) Automatic appeals process to higher courts in every case; state and federal
7) Inmates on death row are kept separate from the general population, even during sentencing. Costs about double per year than a regular inmate
I could go on and on but who cares really? You are only interested in data that supports your point of view and will reject any viewpoint that isn't consistent with your fantasy world.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 5:28pm
The irony of course is the zealot party, the GOP, who touts such platitudes as "Only god can judge" is the same party that supports killing people legally.
Tell me more about your morals and ethics.
Tell me more about your morals and ethics.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 1, 2016 5:51pm
One is judging your soul for eternity based on the acceptance of Christ while the other is judging the human actions according to the law they function under.sleeper;1789891 wrote:The irony of course is the zealot party, the GOP, who touts such platitudes as "Only god can judge" is the same party that supports killing people legally.
Tell me more about your morals and ethics.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 5:58pm
So it's okay to play god?Con_Alma;1789892 wrote:One is judging your soul for eternity based on the acceptance of Christ while the other is judging the human actions according to the law they function under.
Anyways, we can start a new thread if you want but I can go all day shredding and ripping any organized religion to pieces. It's a joke at best.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 1, 2016 6:19pm
Nope. Didn't say it was O.K. to play God.
I think you already have went all day "shredding and ripping any organized religion to pieces" on this forum. If you want to revisit it, the thread(s) should still be available on here... I think.
I think you already have went all day "shredding and ripping any organized religion to pieces" on this forum. If you want to revisit it, the thread(s) should still be available on here... I think.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Apr 1, 2016 7:45pm
How about a vacation trip to shark land .. simple solution one life jacket, large body of water, time to think, darkness, little chum ...nothing the dig up or find ... I think more would rethink what they do if they knew what was to come...sleeper;1789679 wrote:More go to them if sentenced to death.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 9:56pm
Yeah, no. Dumb.Belly35;1789901 wrote:How about a vacation trip to shark land .. simple solution one life jacket, large body of water, time to think, darkness, little chum ...nothing the dig up or find ... I think more would rethink what they do if they knew what was to come...
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 1, 2016 9:57pm
It's available on any religion thread posted ever on the OC. Barely tried because destroying religion is easier than your mom.Con_Alma;1789896 wrote:Nope. Didn't say it was O.K. to play God.
I think you already have went all day "shredding and ripping any organized religion to pieces" on this forum. If you want to revisit it, the thread(s) should still be available on here... I think.
Spock
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Apr 1, 2016 10:19pm
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 2, 2016 6:18am
sleeper;1789909 wrote:It's available on any religion thread posted ever on the OC. Barely tried because destroying religion is easier than your mom.
You'll do what you wish then*....start another thread to discuss it or revisit those that already exist. I'll enjoy reading them as much as I think you may enjoy posting them.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 3, 2016 7:13pm
Yeah, I thought it was common knowledge it costs more to execute people than a life term.
It's not a deterrent, it's more expensive, doesn't really do much for families of the victims, and more than a few innocent people have been executed. Plus, I think a death sentence is letting people off easy vs. life in max security.
Really not a single justifiable reason to have the death penalty....unless you turn it into Running Man, televise it and profit!
It's not a deterrent, it's more expensive, doesn't really do much for families of the victims, and more than a few innocent people have been executed. Plus, I think a death sentence is letting people off easy vs. life in max security.
Really not a single justifiable reason to have the death penalty....unless you turn it into Running Man, televise it and profit!
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Apr 3, 2016 10:15pm
THIS!!!gut;1790040 wrote:Yeah, I thought it was common knowledge it costs more to execute people than a life term.
It's not a deterrent, it's more expensive, doesn't really do much for families of the victims, and more than a few innocent people have been executed. Plus, I think a death sentence is letting people off easy vs. life in max security.
Really not a single justifiable reason to have the death penalty....unless you turn it into Running Man, televise it and profit!
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 4, 2016 1:48pm
sleeper;1789893 wrote: Anyways, we can start a new thread if you want but I can go all day shredding and ripping any organized religion to pieces. It's a joke at best.
The irony is this: the millions of those following the values of their Christian faith are far less likely to commit crime and thus are much less of a drag on 'the system', which saves you a lot of money. And since you are all about money, you should be plenty happy that Christianity is saving you a bundle.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 4, 2016 2:27pm
This really has nothing to do with my point that religion is based on zero logic and instead relies of repression, childhood indoctrination, fear, and ignorance to persist.QuakerOats;1790123 wrote:The irony is this: the millions of those following the values of their Christian faith are far less likely to commit crime and thus are much less of a drag on 'the system', which saves you a lot of money. And since you are all about money, you should be plenty happy that Christianity is saving you a bundle.
Sign me up!
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Apr 5, 2016 8:05am
Can you imagine the outrage of this today? Now if this would not be a deterrent I don't know what would be. Wow that would be horrible.Spock;1789911 wrote:
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Apr 5, 2016 10:08am
The millions claiming to be doing so, no. The tens that actually do so, perhaps.QuakerOats;1790123 wrote:The irony is this: the millions of those following the values of their Christian faith are far less likely to commit crime and thus are much less of a drag on 'the system', which saves you a lot of money. And since you are all about money, you should be plenty happy that Christianity is saving you a bundle.
The more one wears their religion, any religion, on their sleeve, the greater chance they're a complete piece of shit.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 5, 2016 10:16am
No matter one's stance on the death penalty (I am morally for it as due punishment for the crime, but economically against it, if that makes sense), I can't honestly believe that QO or anyone else for that matter honestly didn't know that a death penalty case/trial/execution costs far more than a life sentence case/trial/life in prison.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 5, 2016 10:17am
I believe this to be true for people in general. Atheists that "wear it on their sleeve" tend to be assholes as well. Vegans who "wear it on their sleeve" tend to be douchebags. I could keep going.queencitybuckeye;1790469 wrote:The millions claiming to be doing so, no. The tens that actually do so, perhaps.
The more one wears their religion, any religion, on their sleeve, the greater chance they're a complete piece of shit.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Apr 5, 2016 2:48pm
Cross Fitters...LOLjmog;1790471 wrote:I believe this to be true for people in general. Atheists that "wear it on their sleeve" tend to be assholes as well. Vegans who "wear it on their sleeve" tend to be douchebags. I could keep going.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 6, 2016 8:23am
An atheist, a vegan, and a cross fitter walk into a bar. We only know because within 2 minutes they told everyone.rrfan;1790512 wrote:Cross Fitters...LOL