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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 3, 2016 12:53pm
I didn't say GREAT deal. Support for Social Security and Medicare is unquestionable. A very small percentage of the most hardcore conservative voters do not support them or complain about them but that is it.Con_Alma;1779690 wrote:I think it's more than a belief. Designated withdrawals from individuals paychecks earmarked for these things accompanied by employer matches are part of the individuals compensation. I don't think it should be referred to as belief folks have earned it.
I think you might be speculating when you state that Americans think it's a decent deal. That may or may not be true.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Feb 3, 2016 12:53pm
Well, I'd argue they broadly "support" Medicare and SS because they've been paying the premiums for it since we all started working.BoatShoes;1779686 wrote:You bring up a great point. Americans broadly support Medicare and Social Security because they believe they have earned it and that it is a decent deal. Americans hate the word free.
The idea behind social programs is SOCIAL INSURANCE, and everyone participates....different from wealth redistribution, although there's a component of that in the benefits. Shouldn't the people receiving the benefit be the ones paying for the benefit? If there's not a positive ROI from you going to college, which can ultimately pay for your college, then why would the taxpayer want to fund a negative ROI?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 3, 2016 12:53pm
Sounds like my views on social conservatives. Must be something about the word "social" being part of a person's political views.HitsRus;1779589 wrote:Exactly my point. Far too much attention is spent on Hillary. It is dangerous and short sighted to pooh pooh Sanders' electability for this election. He and his ideas should be attacked and discredited at every point. We cannot allow the neo-Bolsheviks to continue to run their playbook, and to destroy our posterity. History does and will repeat itself, and our way of life, our system of economics, and our constitutional republic must be defended.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 3, 2016 12:57pm
Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.FatHobbit;1779646 wrote:Is Bernie proposing the govt taking over universities or is he proposing that the federal govt pay for everyone to go to school? I am very unclear on what he actually wants to do other than "free college"
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 3, 2016 12:58pm
I think these are all good points.gut;1779696 wrote:Well, I'd argue they broadly "support" Medicare and SS because they've been paying the premiums for it since we all started working.
The idea behind social programs is SOCIAL INSURANCE, and everyone participates....different from wealth redistribution, although there's a component of that in the benefits. Shouldn't the people receiving the benefit be the ones paying for the benefit? If there's not a positive ROI from you going to college, which can ultimately pay for your college, then why would the taxpayer want to fund a negative ROI?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 3, 2016 12:59pm
Boatshoes says....
you've done this before… inferring that because I cited and admired Dr. King on race relations that I should also accept his view on economics as if there is some logical requirement that if I accept one thing a person says, then necessarily I must accept I accept everything that person says as gospel. While he may be revered as well as martyred, he did put his pants on one leg at a time.Again, a man you have quoted on here multiple times - Martin Luther King - also referred to himself as a Democratic Socialist and he has a National Holiday.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Feb 3, 2016 12:59pm
BoatShoes;1779695 wrote:I didn't say GREAT deal. Support for Social Security and Medicare is unquestionable. A very small percentage of the most hardcore conservative voters do not support them or complain about them but that is it.
I didn't suggest you did say "great deal". I was clear that it being thought to be a decent deal is speculation.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Feb 3, 2016 1:37pm
I can see how that would lead to massive increases in costBoatShoes;1779701 wrote:Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Feb 3, 2016 1:39pm
Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majorssleeper;1779656 wrote:So basically "here's a check" for anyone who's not white.
I'd be okay with a system where if you graduate with a 3.5 or higher in a relevant field you get your entire college reimbursed. The people who score between a 3.0 and 3.49 pay the normal price of college and the people who score lower than 3.0 pay the cost of college for those who scored 3.5 or higher. It would eliminate trash from even bothering going to school and give a huge incentive to do well in school.
Of course, liberals don't like a system in which there are contingencies to get free things because they are seen as unfair to everyone who's not a white male.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 3, 2016 1:45pm
Those cake classes at every university that athletes are always in so they can remain eligible would be LOADED every single term.FatHobbit;1779720 wrote:Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majors
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 3, 2016 2:04pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779680 wrote:when reasonable people put Nationalism and ethnocentrism aside, and look at data, they see we're not even close to the best.
Absolutely mind numbing.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 3, 2016 2:06pm
BoatShoes;1779701 wrote:Basically same thing as current Federal Loans but nobody has to pay them back.
Yippeee .....................Bernie for President.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Feb 3, 2016 2:16pm
fox will do that to you.QuakerOats;1779728 wrote:Absolutely mind numbing.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 3, 2016 2:22pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779730 wrote:fox will do that to you.
When you lose the argument, throw out the Fox News barbs ................ sooooo typical.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Feb 3, 2016 2:25pm
just for clarity on how your mind works.. you wrote "absolutely mind numbing" and to you, you won an argument? lol awesome.QuakerOats;1779733 wrote:When you lose the argument, throw out the Fox News barbs ................ sooooo typical.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 3, 2016 2:46pm
I said a relevant field so maybe art majors would have to get a 3.9 or higher for free college, 3.5 for normal college, and 3.49 or lower have to pay quadruple the college rate for being failures and trash.FatHobbit;1779720 wrote:Lol that would lead to not many engineering majors and many art majors
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 3, 2016 2:46pm
Simple. Take away shit electives and replace them with calculus and physics.Heretic;1779722 wrote:Those cake classes at every university that athletes are always in so they can remain eligible would be LOADED every single term.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 3, 2016 2:48pm
Then it's not remotely the same thing.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779644 wrote:Doubtful being a federal budget.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 3, 2016 2:53pm
Ignoring equity, we're the best and no one is close. If you need a complex treatment as a matter of life or death, you're delusional or flat lying if you claim you'd leave the country.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779680 wrote:when reasonable people put Nationalism and ethnocentrism aside, and look at data, they see we're not even close to the best.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Feb 3, 2016 3:02pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779734 wrote:just for clarity on how your mind works.. you wrote "absolutely mind numbing" and to you, you won an argument? lol awesome.
There is little argument as to which nation on the planet has the superior health CARE.
Carry on...
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 3, 2016 3:04pm
The Ivy League and military academies become national football powers again.sleeper;1779738 wrote:Simple. Take away shit electives and replace them with calculus and physics.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 3, 2016 3:30pm
BTW, Trump today on Twitter is freaking gold.
He is calling out Cruz saying the whole Iowa process was a fraud and that there should be a revote. There is the crazy Donald we missed on Caucus night!
"Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
He is calling out Cruz saying the whole Iowa process was a fraud and that there should be a revote. There is the crazy Donald we missed on Caucus night!
"Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Feb 3, 2016 3:54pm
I doubt it. Ohio State has enough tutors to get athletes by. The fluff classes are there for the players who don't really care and are just there to play football.Al Bundy;1779744 wrote:The Ivy League and military academies become national football powers again.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Feb 3, 2016 3:56pm
I'd be interested in how quickly university classrooms would turn into high school classrooms in terms of behavior. I'd also be interested in how many professors who teach as a secondary, bypass teaching altogether and focus on their primary job.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1779620 wrote:which is how the universities would be funded..
How does the Professor payscale change?FatHobbit;1779646 wrote:Is Bernie proposing the govt taking over universities or is he proposing that the federal govt pay for everyone to go to school? I am very unclear on what he actually wants to do other than "free college"
This is the country's biggest issue.sleeper;1779672 wrote:Our education system before university is beyond terrible. The reality is most parents don't value education and don't take the time to make sure their kids are doing their homework and actually going to school. My mom is a teacher and she gets blamed when kids don't do their homework or don't come to class.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Feb 3, 2016 4:08pm
Has anyone re-tweeted "you're still the first loser" yet?ptown_trojans_1;1779755 wrote: He is calling out Cruz saying the whole Iowa process was a fraud and that there should be a revote.