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Feb 24, 2016 12:21 PM
Commander of Awesome;1783045 wrote:Yeah skinny knees. 2/10 would not draft
He can gain some weight. I think where he has an advantage over Wentz is his football acumen. I think Wentz has better physical tools but a lot of times that doesn't mean shit.
Feb 24, 2016 12:21pm
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Feb 24, 2016 12:54 PM
From all I've heard, both wentz and goff would be below Marion's and Winston.

Also, take the best qb period. If you think wentz will be better but will take a couple years of fine tuning TAKE HIM. We aren't winning now anyway.


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Feb 24, 2016 12:54pm
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Feb 24, 2016 5:49 PM
MKC reporting browns have made offer to schwartz, but thinks he'll hit the market SMH.

Also, Goff and Wentz next to each other. Get a sense in the size difference.

Feb 24, 2016 5:49pm
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Feb 24, 2016 6:01 PM
iclfan2;1783059 wrote:From all I've heard, both wentz and goff would be below Marion's and Winston.

Also, take the best qb period. If you think wentz will be better but will take a couple years of fine tuning TAKE HIM. We aren't winning now anyway.


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Heard Browns beat reporter Darryl Ruiter (92.3) reporting from the Combine that some of the local "buzz" is that there isn't a QB worthy of that #2 pick and Jackson made some kind of comment about "we're taking a QB in this draft, just may not be at #2." Obviously could be smoke.
Feb 24, 2016 6:01pm
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Feb 24, 2016 6:02 PM
Commander of Awesome;1783088 wrote:MKC reporting browns have made offer to schwartz, but thinks he'll hit the market SMH.
And it sounds like Jackson's mindset is "we want them here but if they want to leave, leave."
Feb 24, 2016 6:02pm
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Feb 24, 2016 6:37 PM
BR1986FB;1783091 wrote:Heard Browns beat reporter Darryl Ruiter (92.3) reporting from the Combine that some of the local "buzz" is that there isn't a QB worthy of that #2 pick and Jackson made some kind of comment about "we're taking a QB in this draft, just may not be at #2." Obviously could be smoke.
This fits Hits' approach of trying to trade down. Just two issues, who would do it and how far can you go without fucking over getting the guy you want?

I still think there is about 97% we end up with Goff or Wentz after the #2 pick.
Feb 24, 2016 6:37pm
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Feb 24, 2016 7:04 PM
Ruiter is a bit of a douche. And it doesn't matter if someone is "worthy" or not, we need one, period. My best friend is at the combine (and a well known, well respected draft analyst, and Browns fan), so I will see what he has to say after this week is up.

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Feb 24, 2016 7:36 PM
like_that;1783093 wrote:This fits Hits' approach of trying to trade down. Just two issues, who would do it and how far can you go without fucking over getting the guy you want?

I still think there is about 97% we end up with Goff or Wentz after the #2 pick.
I agree with both counts. Think they will end up with a QB at 2. I'd be pissed if they took Bosa at 2 and ended up with someone like Hackenberg at 32.
Feb 24, 2016 7:36pm
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Feb 24, 2016 9:24 PM
Shouldn't trade down if they were still intent on taking a QB. All it does is risk not getting your guy when you are currently guaranteed to get him.
Feb 24, 2016 9:24pm
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Feb 25, 2016 9:40 AM
Jared Goff: 6040, 215, 9 hand
Feb 25, 2016 9:40am
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Feb 25, 2016 10:08 AM
Believe Jackson discussed hand size yesterday.
Feb 25, 2016 10:08am
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Feb 25, 2016 11:47 AM
9 for the hands is better than I expected. Should be alright.


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Feb 25, 2016 11:47am
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Feb 25, 2016 12:56 PM
Who gives a shit about his hand size lol
Feb 25, 2016 12:56pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:01 PM
SportsAndLady;1783212 wrote:Who gives a shit about his hand size lol
That's one of those things that give scouting "gurus" chubbies, despite how there's probably no real evidence stating big hands are a necessity to throw a football.

http://deadspin.com/arkansas-qb-trying-to-stretch-his-lil-baby-hands-in-ord-1761240625
Hand size has long been a boogeyman of sorts when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks, the idea being that guys with smaller hands can’t grip the ball in cold weather or put as much zip on their passes. I have no idea of there’s any real empirical data to back this assumption up—Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick all had small hand measurements at their combines, for what’s it worth—but the ol’ gunslinger Brett Favre has huge hands, so that’s enough to get scouts all worked up about hand size.
Feb 25, 2016 1:01pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:01 PM
SportsAndLady;1783212 wrote:Who gives a shit about his hand size lol
Actually, you do. If a QB has baby hands they aren't going to have an easy time holding on to the ball and it's likely going to affect the way they throw.

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An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.
A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference). While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-football-used-in-college-football-games-and-the-ball-used-in-the-NFL
Feb 25, 2016 1:01pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:23 PM
BR1986FB;1783215 wrote:Actually, you do. If a QB has baby hands they aren't going to have an easy time holding on to the ball and it's likely going to affect the way they throw.

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An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.
A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference). While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-football-used-in-college-football-games-and-the-ball-used-in-the-NFL
I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.
Feb 25, 2016 1:23pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:27 PM
I swear the majority of teams would do better if the draft was held two weeks after the Super Bowl without all of the nonsense that has little or nothing to do with the main question: can this guy play?
Feb 25, 2016 1:27pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:29 PM
SportsAndLady;1783220 wrote:I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.
Yeah, I can see that. I'd rather not chance it though.
Feb 25, 2016 1:29pm
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Feb 25, 2016 1:52 PM
SportsAndLady;1783220 wrote:I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.
There are? Can you name 3?
Feb 25, 2016 1:52pm
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Feb 25, 2016 2:33 PM
Commander of Awesome;1783239 wrote:There are? Can you name 3?
Heretic already posted an article.
Feb 25, 2016 2:33pm
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Feb 25, 2016 2:35 PM
BR1986FB;1783227 wrote:Duh? Why wouldn't they with the limited amount of talent on this squad?

From everything I've seen & heard, it looks like Gordon is in, pardon the expression, beast mode. Looks like he's in incredible shape & focused on returning.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/browns-open-suspended-gordon-returning-team-181055385--nfl.html
Gotta love how goodell is taking the full 60 days to make a decision on his reinstatement. He is such a piece of shit. I wasn't exactly going out on a limb, but I called this at the time that Gordon applied for reinstatement.
Feb 25, 2016 2:35pm
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Feb 25, 2016 2:35 PM
like_that;1783261 wrote:Heretic already posted an article.
And it listed Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick. Hardly a list of world beaters.

Smith is the definition of mediocre, Romo while good is a fumble machine (and hurt) and Mike Vick is probably the most athletic person to every play the position.
Feb 25, 2016 2:35pm
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Feb 25, 2016 3:16 PM
Commander of Awesome;1783263 wrote:And it listed Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick. Hardly a list of world beaters.

Smith is the definition of mediocre, Romo while good is a fumble machine (and hurt) and Mike Vick is probably the most athletic person to every play the position.
LOLfail that you think Romo is a fumble machine. Maybe you should go do some research and not listen to whatever BSPN tells you. Here is a list of currently players and their fumbles. This is just for regular season as it was easier to do.
GP FUM FUM/GM
DALTON 77 20 0.2597
P MANNING 266 75 0.2820
HASSELBECK 209 67 0.3206
RYAN 126 45 0.3571
NEWTON 78 30 0.3846
PALMER 160 65 0.4063
BREES 217 90 0.4147
STAFFORD 93 41 0.4409
BRADY 225 100 0.4444
BIG BEN 171 78 0.4561
ROMO 133 61 0.4586
RODGERS 126 58 0.4603
A SMITH 126 60 0.4762
RIVERS 164 82 0.5000
FITZPACKTRICK 112 57 0.5089
WILSON 64 33 0.5156
E MANNING 185 96 0.5189
FLACCO 122 66 0.5410
TANNEHILL 64 36 0.5625
LUCK 55 31 0.5636
CUTLER 134 82 0.6119
VICK 143 97 0.6783
Feb 25, 2016 3:16pm
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Feb 25, 2016 3:30 PM
Iliketurtles;1783272 wrote:LOLfail that you think Romo is a fumble machine. Maybe you should go do some research and not listen to whatever BSPN tells you. Here is a list of currently players and their fumbles. This is just for regular season as it was easier to do.
GP FUM FUM/GM
DALTON 77 13 0.1688
P MANNING 266 47 0.1767
NEWTON 78 16 0.2051
HASSELBECK 209 47 0.2249
STAFFORD 93 24 0.2581
ROMO 149 39 0.2617
RYAN 126 33 0.2619
PALMER 160 48 0.3000
BIG BEN 171 52 0.3041
WILSON 64 20 0.3125
FITZPACKTRICK 112 36 0.3214
BRADY 225 74 0.3289
RIVERS 164 55 0.3354
BREES 217 73 0.3364
A SMITH 126 45 0.3571
TANNEHILL 64 23 0.3594
RODGERS 126 46 0.3651
FLACCO 122 46 0.3770
CUTLER 134 51 0.3806
E MANNING 185 72 0.3892
VICK 143 56 0.3916
LUCK 55 24 0.4364
LOLPWNFAIL
Feb 25, 2016 3:30pm