FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 11:55am
Agreed. Celebrities are famous because they are pretty or maybe entertaining. Who the fuck cares what they think.SportsAndLady;1754620 wrote: Makes me annoyed that celebrities tweet things like, "enough is enough. Ban __________ and stop this once and for all." Like it's that fucking easy and the solution has been that this whole time and nobody but the holier than thou celebrities have realized it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 11:57am
Also, cut the shit about harming responsible gun owners. They can manage just fine with any regulation. I don't think increasing the strength of background checks is going to have a material impact on responsible gun owners, but it will have a material impact on reducing mass murders. Plus, there's an externality that all gun owners currently aren't paying for and that's how you can justify increased cost of gun ownership.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 11:57am
Most of my guns are old and unregistered. I will never register them, because one of the gun grabbers biggest problems is they don't know where all the guns are. I won't make it easier for them.sleeper;1754604 wrote:Also increase punishments for people who commit crimes with an unregistered weapon. You can start with a grace period where people can come in with their guns and get them registered and allow for a background check free of charge. If the owner who does this is deemed unfit, the gun is taken away and they are reimbursed
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 12:02pm
I think this is kind of a cliche/misnomer that is spouted too often. I agree, people will get guns if they really want them but having a more controlled market makes it more difficult and more risky. Those two attributes can prevent future mass shootings by simply creating friction in acquiring a weapon.friendfromlowry;1754616 wrote:I just don't think addressing gun control - even to the extent of banning them - will fix anything. People will get guns one way or another. I'd rather see mental health addressed more. But probably and unfortunately, this is going to be the norm going forward.
It's really no different than drugs in this country. Sure, if I want say cocaine, I can probably get it. But there are pain points, risk, and steps to take in order to find a seller and in that process of acquiring something illegally, you may prevent someone from actually getting that item altogether. It's worth a shot and I think it would make a big impact without completing burning the 2nd amendment.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Oct 2, 2015 12:04pm
Then ban cars.FatHobbit;1754633 wrote:I'm with you on billiards, but 3,287 people die every day in car crashes.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:08pm
It's funny to me that your example of why it might work to ban guns is of something that is illegal and anyone can buy. Hey it didn't work for drugs, let's try it with guns.sleeper wrote: It's really no different than drugs in this country. Sure, if I want say cocaine, I can probably get it. But there are pain points, risk, and steps to take in order to find a seller and in that process of acquiring something illegally, you may prevent someone from actually getting that item altogether. It's worth a shot and I think it would make a big impact without completing burning the 2nd amendment.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Oct 2, 2015 12:08pm
No arguments here. I don't own a gun or need one, and have only shot one once. Contrary to what Belly says, I can't imagine how banning them would negatively impact my life that significantly. Whatever regulations and rules they want to put in place wouldn't make a difference to me.sleeper;1754639 wrote:I think this is kind of a cliche/misnomer that is spouted too often. I agree, people will get guns if they really want them but having a more controlled market makes it more difficult and more risky. Those two attributes can prevent future mass shootings by simply creating friction in acquiring a weapon.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 2, 2015 12:08pm
Why the fuck do celebrities think average American citizens care what they think?SportsAndLady;1754620 wrote:Makes me sick when shit like this happens and politicians exploit the nation's attention to the tragedy by pushing a political agenda.
Makes me annoyed that celebrities tweet things like, "enough is enough. Ban __________ and stop this once and for all." Like it's that fucking easy and the solution has been that this whole time and nobody but the holier than thou celebrities have realized it.
Makes me sad to read that 4chan thread. But that's 4chan for ya.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 12:09pm
Why?FatHobbit;1754637 wrote:Most of my guns are old and unregistered. I will never register them, because one of the gun grabbers biggest problems is they don't know where all the guns are. I won't make it easier for them.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:09pm
That would certainly prevent many more kids from dying than banning guns. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!friendfromlowry;1754641 wrote:Then ban cars.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:11pm
Because when Obama or Hilary or whoever eventually get their way the first place they will look is to the gun registry and it will make confiscation easy.sleeper;1754645 wrote:Why?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 12:12pm
I never said ban guns. I said regulate them. Drugs are infinitely harder to get because they are banned, but yes some people are still able to get them. So let's just stick our head in the sand and not try at all to mitigate mass killings in our country.FatHobbit;1754642 wrote:It's funny to me that your example of why it might work to ban guns is of something that is illegal and anyone can buy. Hey it didn't work for drugs, let's try it with guns.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 12:13pm
Or in a more likely scenario, it will keep crazy people from having weapons they may use to murder innocent civilians. Your scenario needs a tin foil hat.FatHobbit;1754649 wrote:Because when Obama or Hilary or whoever eventually get their way the first place they will look is to the gun registry and it will make confiscation easy.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 2, 2015 12:14pm
lol are you a doomsday prepper too?FatHobbit;1754649 wrote:Because when Obama or Hilary or whoever eventually get their way the first place they will look is to the gun registry and it will make confiscation easy.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 2, 2015 12:16pm
You don't think if it were as hard to buy a gun as it is meth, gun crimes wouldn't go down?FatHobbit;1754642 wrote:It's funny to me that your example of why it might work to ban guns is of something that is illegal and anyone can buy. Hey it didn't work for drugs, let's try it with guns.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Oct 2, 2015 12:16pm
Presently I have two weapons registered to me and my wife …. Those will be my last registered weapons I own.FatHobbit;1754649 wrote:Because when Obama or Hilary or whoever eventually get their way the first place they will look is to the gun registry and it will make confiscation easy.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Oct 2, 2015 12:22pm
'FILLED WITH HATE': Witnesses say Oregon community college gunman targeted Christians in shooting
Ban atheism, confederate flag and……………………..The American Civil Liberties Union
Ban atheism, confederate flag and……………………..The American Civil Liberties Union
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 2, 2015 12:27pm
Are you drunk, old man?Belly35;1754661 wrote:'FILLED WITH HATE': Witnesses say Oregon community college gunman targeted Christians in shooting
Ban atheism, confederate flag and……………………..The American Civil Liberties Union
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Oct 2, 2015 12:32pm
I dont drunk when packing ... see weapons do prevent drunks, dui and accidents...Raw Dawgin' it;1754663 wrote:Are you drunk, old man?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:45pm
No. You don't think Hilary/Obama would love to ban guns and have a convenient list of people who own them?Raw Dawgin' it;1754652 wrote:lol are you a doomsday prepper too?
Gun ownership is at an all time high and yet gun violence is declining. I don't think banning guns would keep them out of the hands of people who wanted them anymore than banning drugs would keep them away from addictsRaw Dawgin' it;1754654 wrote:You don't think if it were as hard to buy a gun as it is meth, gun crimes wouldn't go down?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 2, 2015 12:53pm
I'd like to know what everyone here who can't live without their guns would be saying if you had a family member shot in a mass shooting like this or if you were one of these parents who lost a child in Cleveland to stray bullets. If new gun regulations make it harder for people to obtain guns, then what's your issue? You're so obsessed with your 2nd amendment right, that if the answer to less people dying is making it harder to obtain and own a gun, you lose your fucking minds.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:53pm
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/world/us-australia-gun-control/
So there are still approximately 2 million guns in Australia. There are 300 million guns in the US. If we were to have a similar program with similar results there would be 200 million guns in the US.Australia collected and destroyed more than a million firearms, perhaps a third of the national stock
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 2, 2015 12:58pm
If I had a family member who was killed in any way I would not blame an inanimate object.Raw Dawgin' it;1754670 wrote:I'd like to know what everyone here who can't live without their guns would be saying if you had a family member shot in a mass shooting like this or if you were one of these parents who lost a child in Cleveland to stray bullets.
What if new gun regulations don't make it harder for crazy people to get guns, but they do make it harder for me to defend myself and my family from the crazy people?Raw Dawgin' it;1754670 wrote:If new gun regulations make it harder for people to obtain guns, then what's your issue? You're so obsessed with your 2nd amendment right, that if the answer to less people dying is making it harder to obtain and own a gun, you lose your fucking minds.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 2, 2015 1:04pm
FatHobbit;1754674 wrote:If I had a family member who was killed in any way I would not blame an inanimate object.
What if new gun regulations don't make it harder for crazy people to get guns, but they do make it harder for me to defend myself and my family from the crazy people?
1) I'm not blaming the gun. I'm blaming how easy it is to obtain them.
2) If you had a family member who was shot, you'd be sitting here going "Nothing wrong with the system, they should've known better and been carrying a gun" I doubt it.
3) New gun regulations should make it harder for anyone to obtain one. Of course you go right to the argument "but but but...what if they only make it harder for ME to get a gun and not the crazies gang members!!" This coming from the same person who thinks the president will come take their gun away.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 2, 2015 1:07pm
No regulation is going to perfect, just like how it is now. The goal is to mitigate, not eliminate, the options for people with mental disorders from acquiring a weapon. This will have minimal impact to mentally stable people who are currently not paying for the externality of owning a gun.FatHobbit;1754674 wrote:What if new gun regulations don't make it harder for crazy people to get guns, but they do make it harder for me to defend myself and my family from the crazy people?