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lhslep134

Posts: 9,774

Sep 21, 2015 7:19pm

Classyposter58;1752281 wrote:I think the bigger impact is a lack of running game for Detroit. When Bush had his great year three years ago Johnson had 1500 yards in 14 games

Doubling down on the homerness by mentioning something irrelevant from 3 years ago. Classic Classy.

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isadore

Posts: 7,762

Sep 21, 2015 8:05pm

1. Tom Brady
2. Tom Brady
3. Tom Brady
4. Tom Brady
5. some other guy

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 8:28pm

I am biased to Brown and actually why I started this thread. He is unbelievable and IMO getting better and better. I don't know that he gets enough credit around the league but you guys on here seem to agree.

Also....what is it that separates Rodgers from Brady for most all of you?

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Sep 21, 2015 8:59pm

Since the beginning of 2011 Rodgers has 6 more TDs, 15 fewer INT, a significantly better completion percentage (67.2 vs 63.5), and significantly higher yards per attempt (8.49 to 7.56). He's also more mobile.

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Sep 21, 2015 9:29pm

Terry_Tate;1752272 wrote:That is a 100% homer comment, lol. Antonio Brown is for sure above Calvin Johnson right now. Brown has been unguardable for the last 2 years. I'd say Julio Jones is definitely above him as well.

lol this all day. I'd even take Dez over Johnson. He was the #1 a few year ago, but now? No fucking way.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Sep 21, 2015 9:43pm

Mulva;1752302 wrote:Since the beginning of 2011 Rodgers has 6 more TDs, 15 fewer INT, a significantly better completion percentage (67.2 vs 63.5), and significantly higher yards per attempt (8.49 to 7.56). He's also more mobile.

But also one fewer super bowl with a lot better receivers.

I'm taking Brady over Rodgers right now. Probably just for this year, Brady is getting up there in age no way he can continue this for more than another season or two.

lhslep134

Posts: 9,774

Sep 21, 2015 9:45pm

SportsAndLady;1752310 wrote:But also one fewer super bowl with a lot better receivers.

I'm taking Brady over Rodgers right now. Probably just for this year, Brady is getting up there in age no way he can continue this for more than another season or two.

You can take the difference in receivers, I'm taking the difference in coaches. It's not close; pretty much every expect thinks Rodgers is the best QB in the league. Belicheck is way too smart of a coach schematically to not get a chunk of credit for their offensive success.

Azubuike24

Posts: 15,933

Sep 21, 2015 9:48pm

Calvin Johnson in the wildcat or Cam Newton now? I gotta say Calvin. Have you see how jacked he was in 2012?

DeyDurkie5

Posts: 11,324

Sep 21, 2015 9:49pm

Classyposter58;1752281 wrote:I think the bigger impact is a lack of running game for Detroit. When Bush had his great year three years ago Johnson had 1500 yards in 14 games

You dumb man you dumb

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isadore

Posts: 7,762

Sep 21, 2015 9:55pm

get Rodgers for stats
get Brady for championships

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 10:14pm

I don't know how much credit Belichick can get for Brady being a master at checking down to the 3rd receiver with pressure coming.

Brady with Gronkowski on the field almost isn't fair.

I look for Brady to be a pissed off little bitch all season and tear apart the league....if Gronk stays healthy I don't think there will be a question of who's #1.

I think having better receivers/weapons is more important than coaching. Andy Dalton with A.J. Green and Eifort is likely far better than Dalton without those guys but with Belichick.

lhslep134

Posts: 9,774

Sep 21, 2015 10:25pm

Ironman92;1752319 wrote: Andy Dalton with A.J. Green and Eifort is likely far better than Dalton without those guys but with Belichick.

No it's not. Look at Matt Cassel's year when Brady went down. Belicheck is the exception to the rule that coaches don't matter that much. He will make it work with whatever he has. Brady helps a lot, don't get me wrong. But Rodgers and Belicheck would be even better than Brady and Belicheck, imo, so that's what I'm taking Rodgers.

He's got better pocket presence now, he's more mobile, he has more arm talent, and he's more accurate.

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isadore

Posts: 7,762

Sep 21, 2015 10:38pm

Without Brady, Belichick is 51-65. But with Brady, 136-39 in the regular season.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Sep 21, 2015 10:54pm

Azubuike24;1752277 wrote:Add to this. Durability, is an underrated skill in the NFL.

Calvin Johnson
Julio Jones
A.J. Green

Probably the 3 most gifted WR's in-terms of athleticism, size and speed in the NFL. All 3 of them have been injured numerous times. None of these guys have played a full season since 2012.

It might be luck for Brown, but give me the guy who produces and who is always playing.

Yup, Brown is gonna be MVP this season. He's unreal.

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 10:58pm

Commander of Awesome;1752333 wrote:Yup, Brown is gonna be MVP this season. He's unreal.

I would like to take a moment call this jinx. Lol

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Sep 21, 2015 11:10pm

Ironman92;1752334 wrote:I would like to take a moment call this jinx. Lol

I've been a cleveland fan for 30 yrs, I've worried about jinxes for majority of that and it never worked in my favor. Thus I don't believe in jinxes, reverse jinxes, etc... That is my honest prediction.

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 11:14pm

Commander of Awesome;1752339 wrote:I've been a cleveland fan for 30 yrs, I've worried about jinxes for majority of that and it never worked in my favor. Thus I don't believe in jinxes, reverse jinxes, etc... That is my honest prediction.

Fair enough...I do a bit so I have to get that one.

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Sep 21, 2015 11:14pm

Would be nice, but a WR has never won the AP MVP.

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 11:17pm

Matt Cassel was 10-5 for Belichick in 2008 with Randy Moss and in 2010 he was 10-5 with Dwayne Bowe as his top guy.

Cassel's numbers are at least as good in 2010 for the Chiefs with Todd Haley at the helm. Belichick get all the credit for teaching him.....because if so Cassel sucked in 2009 the year in between his 2 very good seasons of his career.

Commander of Awesome

Posts: 23,151

Sep 21, 2015 11:18pm

Automatik;1752341 wrote:Would be nice, but a WR has never won the AP MVP.

He also returns punts, and goes over the middle. He has the catches, the YAC, punt game, to make the case. I would have given the MVP last season to Watt, so take my prediction with a grain of salt.

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Sep 21, 2015 11:22pm

I was just curious and looked it up, was surprised to see a wideout never win it.

Also this...

1982 - Mark Moseley, K - Washington (Associated Press)

What the fuck.

Ironman92

Posts: 49,363

Sep 21, 2015 11:30pm

Automatik;1752351 wrote:I was just curious and looked it up, was surprised to see a wideout never win it.

Also this...

1982 - Mark Moseley, K - Washington (Associated Press)

What the fuck.

Maybe should have been one of the Hogs that year

Laley23

Posts: 29,506

Sep 21, 2015 11:42pm

Just posting to LOL at Classy still thinking Calvin is the top wideout. 4th best...AT BEST.

Brown
Jones (I'd take Julio at 1 if he could stay heathy)
Dez

...and I'm not sure AJ Green and D. Thomas aren't also better. Thomas for sure #s wise...but Peyton as QB vs Stafford so hard to judge.

Heretic

Posts: 18,820

Sep 22, 2015 9:05am

Classyposter58;1752264 wrote:Idk about Brown over Calvin Johnson and I'm not being a homer here. Rodgers is easily number one however followed up by Watt. Justin Houston should be in the top 5 too

Yes you are.

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Sep 22, 2015 9:31am

Automatik;1752351 wrote:I was just curious and looked it up, was surprised to see a wideout never win it.

Also this...

1982 - Mark Moseley, K - Washington (Associated Press)

What the fuck.

Bill Barnwell had a pretty interesting article about this earlier this summer. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-year-the-nfl-went-insane-and-gave-a-kicker-the-mvp-award/

As for Classy LOL. Calvin isn't even in my top 5 for WRs and at best you could argue him to be 4th. Brown, Julio, and Dez are easily top 3.