TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Jul 7, 2015 2:00pm
Yes or no....Should a baker be FORCED to make a cake for a straight couple?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:03pm
of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:06pm
he should not discriminate in the selling of marriage cakes based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, physical or mental handicap
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Jul 7, 2015 2:09pm
So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?isadore;1739362 wrote:of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 7, 2015 2:12pm
Does such a church exist? I'm not aware.isadore;1739327 wrote:even if the bakers belong to a church that does not believe in black marriage, they believe it is a sacrament only available to Caucasians.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:15pm
gosh a ruddies you really can not read. A baker who bakes marriage cakes should not be able to deny cakes for a straight wedding because he disapproves of straight weddings, nor should he be able to deny cakes for a gay wedding because he disapproves of gay marriage.TedSheckler;1739365 wrote:So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?
He can of course stop selling cakes for any marriage
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 7, 2015 2:16pm
I think a clever solution to this is to make cakes for gay weddings 10x more expensive. If they protest, merely tell them you would be happy to make a cake for their wedding but they have to contract the work out to someone else because it is against your personal religious beliefs.TedSheckler;1739365 wrote:So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?
Loopholes are easy.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 7, 2015 2:19pm
oh jesus you are a living contradiction.isadore;1739362 wrote:of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Jul 7, 2015 2:24pm
I've proven the hypocrisy. I'm out.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 7, 2015 2:25pm
Only if you are gay.Spock;1739370 wrote:oh jesus you are a living contradiction.
So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:38pm
gosh a ruddies, you prove nothing but your support of bigotry.TedSheckler;1739373 wrote:I've proven the hypocrisy. I'm out.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jul 7, 2015 2:38pm
Why do you let it consume you like it does. Turn Fox News and Rush off for a few weeks and see how much better you feel. Really.QuakerOats;1739264 wrote:A tragic oddity: progressive radicals want no government involvement related to the murder of the innocent unborn, yet they ask for and receive the full force of government when someone will not bake a cake for them.
I don't know that there are adequate words to describe the sick and twisted mental disease these whackos have.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:39pm
if he does not come to your house because of your race, religion, gender, sexual preference, mental and physical disability.Spock;1739370 wrote:oh jesus you are a living contradiction.
So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jul 7, 2015 2:40pm
Religious beliefs trump the agenda of a special interest group. Period.
They should never pay the fine, and should never stop talking publicly about the government overreach, harassment, and violation of their first amendment rights.
They should never pay the fine, and should never stop talking publicly about the government overreach, harassment, and violation of their first amendment rights.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jul 7, 2015 2:48pm
gosh a ruddies the same argument Bob Jones University used in its failed attempt to ban interracial marriage on their campus. Bigots of a feather flock together.QuakerOats;1739379 wrote:Religious beliefs trump the agenda of a special interest group. Period.
They should never pay the fine, and should never stop talking publicly about the government overreach, harassment, and violation of their first amendment rights.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jul 8, 2015 6:39am
No shortage of #isaderp ITT. :laugh:
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jul 8, 2015 7:50am
Should a business owner of a gear manufacture be forced by law to sell their product to a bakery? No
The owner has the right to choose their customer base if that base does not include ethic, gender or life style then that business by his own admission has limited his profit market his right. The rights of someone ( gay) to demand that company services is the same right that business has to demand them not to be gay.... It is a matter of choice, not a matter of rights
The owner has the right to choose their customer base if that base does not include ethic, gender or life style then that business by his own admission has limited his profit market his right. The rights of someone ( gay) to demand that company services is the same right that business has to demand them not to be gay.... It is a matter of choice, not a matter of rights
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Sep 9, 2015 9:06am
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/09/08/barbershop-fined-for-refusing-to-cut-womans-hair/
Men's barbershop fined for not cutting woman's hair.
Today's liberalism is indeed a disturbing mental disease.
Men's barbershop fined for not cutting woman's hair.
Today's liberalism is indeed a disturbing mental disease.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Sep 9, 2015 9:38am
Yeah no kidding! Same for blacks.. Use your own drinking fountain! Use your own bathrooms too *******!Spock;1739206 wrote:I never quite understood this stance. If the gays want a cake, go somewhere else. Those people aren't keeping them from going somewhere else.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 9, 2015 9:40am
Not even close to the same thing. Not surprised you would reach with this though.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1749414 wrote:Yeah no kidding! Same for blacks.. Use your own drinking fountain! Use your own bathrooms too *******!
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Sep 9, 2015 9:52am
Sure it is. Its discrimination no matter how you spin it. Just in this case you get to hide behind religion b/c you're scared of teh gayzlike_that;1749416 wrote:Not even close to the same thing. Not surprised you would reach with this though.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 9, 2015 10:02am
I'm neither religious nor afraid of "teh gayz"ZWICK 4 PREZ;1749417 wrote:Sure it is. Its discrimination no matter how you spin it. Just in this case you get to hide behind religion b/c you're scared of teh gayz
One deals with segregating public space based on race and the other deals with private business owners choosing who they want to serve. If I owned a bar i wouldn't serve any steelers fans, because fuck them.
Keep being dramatic with your reaching though. Typical sjw.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Sep 9, 2015 10:06am
The business is open to the public, therefore they must abide by the laws that prohibit discrimination.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Sep 9, 2015 10:08am
Z4P drinking fountain and bathroom where at one time a public service provide by local government to their citizens.
Can’t compare government policy at one time to private business ownership…
Some private owner of business did discriminated and others did not. Those that choose to discriminate lost business. As the Black population grew, others that did not discriminate prospered greatly over time.
Private business owner have to make this call, they are the “risk take” and how those entrepreneurs “ risk taker” choose to deal with social issue of today world is their business .. Just like it was years ago… right or wrong..
Can’t compare government policy at one time to private business ownership…
Some private owner of business did discriminated and others did not. Those that choose to discriminate lost business. As the Black population grew, others that did not discriminate prospered greatly over time.
Private business owner have to make this call, they are the “risk take” and how those entrepreneurs “ risk taker” choose to deal with social issue of today world is their business .. Just like it was years ago… right or wrong..
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 9, 2015 10:11am
If a business doesn't want to accept your money that's on them.Automatik;1749420 wrote:The business is open to the public, therefore they must abide by the laws that prohibit discrimination.
Basically what I'm gathering is it is only ok to turn down business when people agree with it. I never see people bitching the other way around.