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TedSheckler

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Yes or no....Should a baker be FORCED to make a cake for a straight couple?
Jul 7, 2015 2:00pm
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isadore

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of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
Jul 7, 2015 2:03pm
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isadore

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he should not discriminate in the selling of marriage cakes based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, physical or mental handicap
Jul 7, 2015 2:06pm
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TedSheckler

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isadore;1739362 wrote:of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?
Jul 7, 2015 2:09pm
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isadore;1739327 wrote:even if the bakers belong to a church that does not believe in black marriage, they believe it is a sacrament only available to Caucasians.
Does such a church exist? I'm not aware.
Jul 7, 2015 2:12pm
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isadore

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TedSheckler;1739365 wrote:So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?
gosh a ruddies you really can not read. A baker who bakes marriage cakes should not be able to deny cakes for a straight wedding because he disapproves of straight weddings, nor should he be able to deny cakes for a gay wedding because he disapproves of gay marriage.
He can of course stop selling cakes for any marriage
Jul 7, 2015 2:15pm
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TedSheckler;1739365 wrote:So your answer is "No". A baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a straight couple, but they should be forced to bake one for a gay couple or be sued?
I think a clever solution to this is to make cakes for gay weddings 10x more expensive. If they protest, merely tell them you would be happy to make a cake for their wedding but they have to contract the work out to someone else because it is against your personal religious beliefs.

Loopholes are easy.
Jul 7, 2015 2:16pm
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isadore;1739362 wrote:of course he has the ultimate choice of not providing bake goods for anyone.
oh jesus you are a living contradiction.

So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
Jul 7, 2015 2:19pm
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TedSheckler

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I've proven the hypocrisy. I'm out.
Jul 7, 2015 2:24pm
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Spock;1739370 wrote:oh jesus you are a living contradiction.

So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
Only if you are gay.
Jul 7, 2015 2:25pm
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isadore

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TedSheckler;1739373 wrote:I've proven the hypocrisy. I'm out.
gosh a ruddies, you prove nothing but your support of bigotry.
Jul 7, 2015 2:38pm
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QuakerOats;1739264 wrote:A tragic oddity: progressive radicals want no government involvement related to the murder of the innocent unborn, yet they ask for and receive the full force of government when someone will not bake a cake for them.

I don't know that there are adequate words to describe the sick and twisted mental disease these whackos have.
Why do you let it consume you like it does. Turn Fox News and Rush off for a few weeks and see how much better you feel. Really.
Jul 7, 2015 2:38pm
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isadore

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Spock;1739370 wrote:oh jesus you are a living contradiction.

So I call a plumber and he sais that he cant come to my house to fix something can I sue him?
if he does not come to your house because of your race, religion, gender, sexual preference, mental and physical disability.
Jul 7, 2015 2:39pm
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Religious beliefs trump the agenda of a special interest group. Period.

They should never pay the fine, and should never stop talking publicly about the government overreach, harassment, and violation of their first amendment rights.
Jul 7, 2015 2:40pm
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isadore

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QuakerOats;1739379 wrote:Religious beliefs trump the agenda of a special interest group. Period.

They should never pay the fine, and should never stop talking publicly about the government overreach, harassment, and violation of their first amendment rights.
gosh a ruddies the same argument Bob Jones University used in its failed attempt to ban interracial marriage on their campus. Bigots of a feather flock together.
Jul 7, 2015 2:48pm
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No shortage of #isaderp ITT. :laugh:
Jul 8, 2015 6:39am
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Should a business owner of a gear manufacture be forced by law to sell their product to a bakery? No
The owner has the right to choose their customer base if that base does not include ethic, gender or life style then that business by his own admission has limited his profit market his right. The rights of someone ( gay) to demand that company services is the same right that business has to demand them not to be gay.... It is a matter of choice, not a matter of rights
Jul 8, 2015 7:50am
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Spock;1739206 wrote:I never quite understood this stance. If the gays want a cake, go somewhere else. Those people aren't keeping them from going somewhere else.
Yeah no kidding! Same for blacks.. Use your own drinking fountain! Use your own bathrooms too *******!
Sep 9, 2015 9:38am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1749414 wrote:Yeah no kidding! Same for blacks.. Use your own drinking fountain! Use your own bathrooms too *******!
Not even close to the same thing. Not surprised you would reach with this though.
Sep 9, 2015 9:40am
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like_that;1749416 wrote:Not even close to the same thing. Not surprised you would reach with this though.
Sure it is. Its discrimination no matter how you spin it. Just in this case you get to hide behind religion b/c you're scared of teh gayz
Sep 9, 2015 9:52am
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1749417 wrote:Sure it is. Its discrimination no matter how you spin it. Just in this case you get to hide behind religion b/c you're scared of teh gayz
I'm neither religious nor afraid of "teh gayz"

One deals with segregating public space based on race and the other deals with private business owners choosing who they want to serve. If I owned a bar i wouldn't serve any steelers fans, because fuck them.

Keep being dramatic with your reaching though. Typical sjw.
Sep 9, 2015 10:02am
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The business is open to the public, therefore they must abide by the laws that prohibit discrimination.
Sep 9, 2015 10:06am
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Z4P drinking fountain and bathroom where at one time a public service provide by local government to their citizens.

Can’t compare government policy at one time to private business ownership…


Some private owner of business did discriminated and others did not. Those that choose to discriminate lost business. As the Black population grew, others that did not discriminate prospered greatly over time.
Private business owner have to make this call, they are the “risk take” and how those entrepreneurs “ risk taker” choose to deal with social issue of today world is their business .. Just like it was years ago… right or wrong..
Sep 9, 2015 10:08am
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Automatik;1749420 wrote:The business is open to the public, therefore they must abide by the laws that prohibit discrimination.
If a business doesn't want to accept your money that's on them.

Basically what I'm gathering is it is only ok to turn down business when people agree with it. I never see people bitching the other way around.
Sep 9, 2015 10:11am