Watching the Heat Bulls game, I would love to trade Love for Bosh. No idea what Bosh's stats are, but man he's a better defender, and does the little things. Even things like body position on screens. Dont think we'd lose anything on offense either.

I just don't get how we continue to mis-use Love on offense, 1-7 from 3, 4-4 from inside the 3pt line.

You'd think at some point they'd realize that while he is a good 3pt shooter, he's not elite, and he works the best out of the Elbow/Low post.

Commander of Awesome;1778149 wrote:Watching the Heat Bulls game, I would love to trade Love for Bosh. No idea what Bosh's stats are, but man he's a better defender, and does the little things. Even things like body position on screens. Dont think we'd lose anything on offense either.

If they didn't adjust the offense to suit his skill set, which is pretty similar to love, we'd have the same results, with right around the same impact on defense.

But if/when we change things up, he'd be a good fit....same with Love, if we ever change the offense hit numbers would go up.

Commander of Awesome;1778149 wrote:Watching the Heat Bulls game, I would love to trade Love for Bosh. No idea what Bosh's stats are, but man he's a better defender, and does the little things. Even things like body position on screens. Dont think we'd lose anything on offense either.

I would also take Bosh over Love at this point and I think Bosh is just okay.

sleeper;1778156 wrote:I would also take Bosh over Love at this point and I think Bosh is just okay.

Lol your opinion is trash. NOGAF

I'm not sure why people are obsessed with Wiggins. He's a volume offensive player who does very little outside of points and defense (when he wants). Career path trending to be slightly worse than Carmelo Anthony.

I still can't believe I got laughed at for saying Paul George was better...

The Cavs are much better with Love, they just don't use him right yet.

HighRoller74;1778154 wrote:If they didn't adjust the offense to suit his skill set, which is pretty similar to love, we'd have the same results, with right around the same impact on defense.

But if/when we change things up, he'd be a good fit....same with Love, if we ever change the offense hit numbers would go up.

That, or maybe Love just isn't that good? Sucks on def, ok shooter, used to display elite rebounding skills but haven't seen it here. Not sure I'm ready for my hottake, but I'm def concerned. Would love for Celtics playoff series Love to make a reappearance.

Commander of Awesome;1778164 wrote:That, or maybe Love just isn't that good? Sucks on def, ok shooter, used to display elite rebounding skills but haven't seen it here. Not sure I'm ready for my hottake, but I'm def concerned. Would love for Celtics playoff series Love to make a reappearance.

You don't put up 22.5 and 13.5 over 4 seasons in the NBA, and not be "that good".

If you think that those skills just disappeared when he showed up in Cleveland, then I'm really not sure what to tell you. It's obvious to me, and it seems to others, that it so far has been an issue to the offense, just not fitting his skill set. You don't take a player who was/is a beast on the elbow, and low post, and turn them in to a standstill 3pt shooter.

Commander of Awesome;1778121 wrote:Beyond idiotic, just fucking stupid. Might be BR's dumbest post of all time. Wonder if BR wrote this while riding on the short bus.

Please elaborate?

Everyone knew Blatt was not brought in to coach the team he ended up with. He was brought in to coach KI, Waiters, Wiggins, TT, etc., an area where he had strength coaching/developing. He ended up with a team loaded with superstar ego's who had no respect for his European "resume."

You hear Lue in his post game interview last night talking about how the team gave him the game ball after his first NBA coaching victory and how Lebron gave his post game speech in the locker room. The Cavs tried doing that with Blatt after his first NBA victory and he scoffed at the game ball because he "wasn't a rookie coach and it wasn't his first professional coaching victory."

Regardless of the W/L record, there was a disconnect in that locker room and Griffin recognized it. They weren't winning a ring with Blatt.

Commander of Awesome;1778164 wrote:That, or maybe Love just isn't that good?

Now who's making the stupid fucking comments?

HighRoller74;1778165 wrote:You don't put up 22.5 and 13.5 over 4 seasons in the NBA, and not be "that good".

If you think that those skills just disappeared when he showed up in Cleveland, then I'm really not sure what to tell you. It's obvious to me, and it seems to others, that it so far has been an issue to the offense, just not fitting his skill set. You don't take a player who was/is a beast on the elbow, and low post, and turn them in to a standstill 3pt shooter.

They didn't disappear but there's a big difference in dropping those numbers on a shitty team where you're not only the #1 option but your team is so shitty you are basically playing to pack your stats and get paid, and dropping those numbers on a top 5 team who's expectations are to win the NBA championship. It's apparent love cannot deal with the pressure. It's probably the reason he usually disappears in the fourth quarter and is about as non-clutch as it gets.

HighRoller74;1778165 wrote:You don't put up 22.5 and 13.5 over 4 seasons in the NBA, and not be "that good".

If you think that those skills just disappeared when he showed up in Cleveland, then I'm really not sure what to tell you. It's obvious to me, and it seems to others, that it so far has been an issue to the offense, just not fitting his skill set. You don't take a player who was/is a beast on the elbow, and low post, and turn them in to a standstill 3pt shooter.

SportsAndLady;1778182 wrote:They didn't disappear but there's a big difference in dropping those numbers on a shitty team where you're not only the #1 option but your team is so shitty you are basically playing to pack your stats and get paid, and dropping those numbers on a top 5 team who's expectations are to win the NBA championship. It's apparent love cannot deal with the pressure. It's probably the reason he usually disappears in the fourth quarter and is about as non-clutch as it gets.

Agreeing with S&L here. Love ain't what he was marketed to be. Prior to the trade, and even some last season, he was billed as a top ten player in the league. Now he's not even an all star (far as we know, and he hasn't been getting pub for it nor is he deserving) for the top team in the east. The east that had 4 players from the fucking hawks in the all star game last season.

Not good, was over board, but top 10 players in the league figure it out and play like it. He's hasn't done that.

Azubuike24;1778159 wrote:I'm not sure why people are obsessed with Wiggins. He's a volume offensive player who does very little outside of points and defense (when he wants). Career path trending to be slightly worse than Carmelo Anthony.

I still can't believe I got laughed at for saying Paul George was better...

The Cavs are much better with Love, they just don't use him right yet.

But If Wiggins went to UK, you'd be on his dick.

BR1986FB;1778055 wrote:
And Blatt should've had his offer rescinded once Lebron decided he was coming back. He was in way over his head trying to coach a bunch of superstars. Blatt is ideal getting the best out of young/moldable guys. Have no idea whether Lue will be the answer as I think "Lebron's gonna Lebron", i.e. "do what Lebron wants" so I don't know how coachable he is.

BR1986FB;1778089 wrote:Sure was. They were never going to win a ring with him coaching and Griffin knew it. They paid $2 million/yr to an assistant (Lue) as a "fall back" plan. He is a great coach teaching younger guys but not the guy to deal with the hand he was dealt (superstar ego's). You could tell Lebron had absolutely no respect for him. A blind monkey should've been able to coach that roster to the Finals once those trades were made.

BR1986FB;1778177 wrote:Please elaborate?

Everyone knew Blatt was not brought in to coach the team he ended up with. He was brought in to coach KI, Waiters, Wiggins, TT, etc., an area where he had strength coaching/developing. He ended up with a team loaded with superstar ego's who had no respect for his European "resume."

You hear Lue in his post game interview last night talking about how the team gave him the game ball after his first NBA coaching victory and how Lebron gave his post game speech in the locker room. The Cavs tried doing that with Blatt after his first NBA victory and he scoffed at the game ball because he "wasn't a rookie coach and it wasn't his first professional coaching victory."

Regardless of the W/L record, there was a disconnect in that locker room and Griffin recognized it. They weren't winning a ring with Blatt.

Fine, I'll play.

"Blatt should have had his offer rescinded"

Umm why? LBJ had just come from a 4 peat trip to the finals with Eric Spolestra, a rookie head coach who started as a fucking video game with the Heat org. Blatt was coaching National Teams in the olympics, and won a bunch of ships in the Euro leagues. He's coached grown men, from various backgrounds and was known as an innovator. What was not to like about the hire capt hindsight? There isn't a perfect path to NBA Head Coach, and nothing prepares you for it like coaching. Blatt wasn't a bad, or a dumb hire.

You'd rather have Mark Jackson who soon as he left Golden State they turn into quite possibly the best team the NBA has seen since 96 Bulls, and will probably go down as one of the greatest teams of all time? Rather hire Lue, who had ZERO coaching exp? Why ,bc Bitch Boy LBj is now back in Cleveland? Guess you didn't learn shit from the last time he was here. Let me remind you, he was a punk, and Gilbert enabled that. Can't let him run the franchise, and I thought the Cavs learned from that. LOLk BR, keep drinking the hindsight kool-aid.

"They were never going to win a ring with him coaching and Griffin knew it."

SMH, talking in certainties about the uncertain. Let me show you an example of why this is a dumb statement, and someone of you age (IE above the age of someone who reads teen lit) should know better. "The Colts will never win a Superbowl with Andrew Luck as QB and Irsay knows it".

See? Just bc you say it, and maybe believe it doesn't make it true, and sure isn't an argument point in your favor.

"You could tell Lebron had absolutely no respect for him. A blind monkey should've been able to coach that roster to the Finals once those trades were made."

Bc LBJ has a history of respecting coaches, including his HC that led him to 2 championships. /Sarcasm Again, you're reading into BS media drama. Did/does LBJ respect him? Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't really matter. LBJ was a official swallowed whistle away from going up 3-0 on the Warriors in the Finals last season. I can't stress that enough. WE ALMOST WON THE SERIES LAST YR NUMBSKULL.

"You hear Lue in his post game interview last night talking about how the team gave him the game ball after his first NBA coaching victory and how Lebron gave his post game speech in the locker room. The Cavs tried doing that with Blatt after his first NBA victory and he scoffed at the game ball because he "wasn't a rookie coach and it wasn't his first professional coaching victory."

So we should fire the coach, and Lue is the the one to lead us to the promised land bc one coach took a game ball, and one didn't? Thats some teenage drama loving logic right there.

So, in summary, your argument lacks any basis besides your opinion which is largely an emotional one.

So now we're at Love just isn't very good lol. Jesus fucking Christ. Love doesn't fit on this team is more like it. Love can't play his position with Lebron and Kyrie playing theirs. How many rebounds do you expect him to get standing 30 feet out?
Put love on a team where a 4 is playing as a 4, and hes back to his former self.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778189 wrote:So now we're at Love just isn't very good lol. Jesus fucking Christ. Love doesn't fit on this team is more like it. Love can't play his position with Lebron and Kyrie playing theirs. How many rebounds do you expect him to get standing 30 feet out?
Put love on a team where a 4 is playing as a 4, and hes back to his former self.

Sigh, no. We're all in agreement that Love isn't the Top Ten player he was once thought of. He's a good player, not a great one. We all want him to play better, if that's changing how we use him fine. I don't think that's the only answer tho, but prob part of it.

Commander of Awesome;1778192 wrote:Sigh, no. We're all in agreement that Love isn't the Top Ten player he was once thought of. He's a good player, not a great one. We all want him to play better, if that's changing how we use him fine. I don't think that's the only answer tho, but prob part of it.

Kevin love is still a top 10 player. You do realize you can't have 3 stars on the same team and expect the same numbers right?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778194 wrote:Kevin love is still a top 10 player. You do realize you can't have 3 stars on the same team and expect the same numbers right?

Yeah zwick I sure do. Kyrie was out most of this season so far, and Kevin love didn't step up IMO. He's not having the impact I expected. Anyone disagree with that?

Commander of Awesome;1778195 wrote:Yeah zwick I sure do. Kyrie was out most of this season so far, and Kevin love didn't step up IMO. He's not having the impact I expected. Anyone disagree with that?

I think we all agree. The only discrepancy in opinion is some believe it's the coaches fault for not utilizing him properly, and some believe it's because he isn't the same impact player he was in Minnesota because he doesn't appear to have a clutch gene in his body.

SportsAndLady;1778196 wrote:I think we all agree. The only discrepancy in opinion is some believe it's the coaches fault for not utilizing him properly, and some believe it's because he isn't the same impact player he was in Minnesota because he doesn't appear to have a clutch gene in his body.

Even with Lue's up tempo offense I doubt that Love will earn the value of his contract. I think guys like TT & Delly will shine in that system but I'm skeptical they will find a way to maximize Love's skills.

Commander of Awesome;1778195 wrote:Yeah zwick I sure do. Kyrie was out most of this season so far, and Kevin love didn't step up IMO. He's not having the impact I expected. Anyone disagree with that?

Even with Kyrie out you still have Lebron who's game forces Love out to the perimeter. Of course Kevin Love isn't going to have the same impact in Cleveland. Hes not a good fit on this team. He goes nearly anywhere else and he's still a top 10 player in the league. He's not going to magically shoot a better percentage from 3 pt. He's not going to magically get more long rebounds. What are you really hoping for on this team?

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778199 wrote:Even with Kyrie out you still have Lebron who's game forces Love out to the perimeter. Of course Kevin Love isn't going to have the same impact in Cleveland. Hes not a good fit on this team. He goes nearly anywhere else and he's still a top 10 player in the league. He's not going to magically shoot a better percentage from 3 pt. He's not going to magically get more long rebounds. What are you really hoping for on this team?

How about a clutch shot?

SportsAndLady;1778196 wrote:I think we all agree. The only discrepancy in opinion is some believe it's the coaches fault for not utilizing him properly, and some believe it's because he isn't the same impact player he was in Minnesota because he doesn't appear to have a clutch gene in his body.

It has nothing to do with not being "clutch" or coaches using him wrong.. they're using him how they have to use him. Unless you change Lebron and Kyries slashing ability/mentality... Love's going to stay out at the perimeter. No one in their sound mind will suggest moving love in the post and having LeBron feed it to him.

SportsAndLady;1778200 wrote:How about a clutch shot?

What do you want him to do exactly ? He's not a great shooter. He doesn't get the touches. Neither of those 2 go hand in hand with being "clutch".

What about love when lbj sits? Impact still isn't there