SportsAndLady
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May 14, 2015 8:46pm
Cueto leads off the 5th with a single.
Down 2-1
Down 2-1
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 8:57pm
Byrd comes through. 3-2.
SportsAndLady
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May 14, 2015 9:02pm
Has Jay Bruce done one good thing for this team? Ever?
Get rid of that bum
Get rid of that bum
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 9:03pm
SportsAndLady
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May 14, 2015 9:04pm
Thay was scary
SportsAndLady
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May 14, 2015 9:42pm
Aaaaaaaaaaand the bullpen blows it
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mhs95_06
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May 14, 2015 9:44pm
8th inning still the bugaboo for the bullpen!
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 9:45pm
Cingrani has been so solid too.
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 9:54pm
Byrd!!!
SportsAndLady
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May 14, 2015 9:54pm
Byrdie!
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mhs95_06
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May 14, 2015 10:08pm
I can't go along with that! He walks the lead-off hitter too much, and he lucks out and doesn't get hurt too bad from it, including tonight being bailed out by Byrd. If he doesn't get hurt bad by bad control early in the inning, he won't buckle down and do better!wildcats20;1729103 wrote:Cingrani has been so solid too.
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 10:20pm
He's given up 3 runs in 13 innings. He's been solid.mhs95_06;1729124 wrote:I can't go along with that! He walks the lead-off hitter too much, and he lucks out and doesn't get hurt too bad from it, including tonight being bailed out by Byrd. If he doesn't get hurt bad by bad control early in the inning, he won't buckle down and do better!
Byrd bailed him out, yes. But he's also the reason for having to bail him out. He dove for a ball that he had zero chance of catching. And then he gave up a hit that went off Joey's glove.
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 10:33pm
And if I'm reading this chart correctly(which I think I am) on baseball reference, tonight was he first time he walked he first batter he faced.
Azubuike24
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May 14, 2015 10:34pm
Cingrani is the best option outside of Chapman. IMO, he needs a role, and not be jacked around. He's been used a ton and then not used. Now that Gregg is gone, I think it's pretty clear that Cingrani is the guy rotating with Diaz/Hoover from the right.
wildcats20
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May 14, 2015 10:44pm
I wasn't. But either way, to say he hasn't been solid is pretty dumb.wildcats20;1729140 wrote:And if I'm reading this chart correctly(which I think I am) on baseball reference, tonight was he first time he walked he first batter he faced.
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mhs95_06
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May 14, 2015 10:53pm
Billy Hamilton, 0.259 OBP, needs to be moved to 9th in the order with the P #8. Keep the order the same, just keep him from leading off in the 1st - he doesn't deserve that many ABs. He kills the 1st inning too many times, an inning when you need good ABs because it is a prime scoring inning as the SPs are not yet settled in.
Ironman92
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May 14, 2015 10:55pm
Ridiculouswildcats20;1729131 wrote:He's given up 3 runs in 13 innings. He's been solid.
Byrd bailed him out, yes. But he's also the reason for having to bail him out. He dove for a ball that he had zero chance of catching. And then he gave up a hit that went off Joey's glove.
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mhs95_06
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May 14, 2015 10:57pm
I'm sticking with lucky rather than solid, not to say he won't be solid as time goes on. How many times has he gone 3-0 on the first hitter, and then lucked out and got him out. Just seems to me he has a lack of concentration on the first few pitches to the first batter.wildcats20;1729145 wrote:I wasn't. But either way, to say he hasn't been solid is pretty dumb.
sherm03
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May 14, 2015 11:57pm
"I'd rather by lucky than good." - Lefty Gomez, 7-time All-Star, 5-time World Series Champ, Hall-of-Famemhs95_06;1729151 wrote:I'm sticking with lucky rather than solid, not to say he won't be solid as time goes on. How many times has he gone 3-0 on the first hitter, and then lucked out and got him out. Just seems to me he has a lack of concentration on the first few pitches to the first batter.
SportsAndLady
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May 15, 2015 8:12am
Cingrani is fine but agree with buike, he needs a role. Young guys like that (especially him who was a starter last year) need a specific role so they can mold into it.
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thavoice
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May 15, 2015 11:26am
I agree that Cingrani is the best option, but I have to wonder about Price if he thought going into the season that Gregg was a better option. I know they wanted tony as the long man in the pen, but the long guy shouldnt be as solid a pitcher as Cingrani. Long men dont get used often. Only when you are usually down big time and who cares who pitches, or an injury to a starter early on.
I think it was a bad choice to have him as the long man to begin with
I think it was a bad choice to have him as the long man to begin with
sherm03
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May 15, 2015 11:45am
Normally, yes. But I think the expectation was that the rotation was not going to be very good outside of Cueto and Leake to start the year. So my guess is they thought they'd need a long man a lot more given the fact that guys like Marquis weren't going to be the ones to give you 8 innings every time out.thavoice;1729259 wrote:I agree that Cingrani is the best option, but I have to wonder about Price if he thought going into the season that Gregg was a better option. I know they wanted tony as the long man in the pen, but the long guy shouldnt be as solid a pitcher as Cingrani. Long men dont get used often. Only when you are usually down big time and who cares who pitches, or an injury to a starter early on.
I think it was a bad choice to have him as the long man to begin with
Azubuike24
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May 15, 2015 11:55am
If you're needing a long man, you're probably fucked more often than not anyway. Saving a former starter, with good stuff and a lefty for such situations is a gross misuse of talent. Then again, this is the Reds...
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thavoice
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May 15, 2015 11:58am
I get what you are saying but I dont agree.sherm03;1729263 wrote:Normally, yes. But I think the expectation was that the rotation was not going to be very good outside of Cueto and Leake to start the year. So my guess is they thought they'd need a long man a lot more given the fact that guys like Marquis weren't going to be the ones to give you 8 innings every time out.
Why place one of your better pitchers in a situation where, if he gets in during long relief, you are mostly likely down 3-5 runs early and have to take out the starter? You can have a guy like Chapman do a role like that and you still are going to lose at a 95% clip. You put an also ran in that situation and guy like Cingrani in a spot where the games are tight.
Terry_Tate
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May 15, 2015 9:06pm
Why is Marquis getting starts over Lorenzen and Iglesias?