Uz2Bon36;1727043 wrote:I don't approve of theirs actions but to instigate them to react irrationally is the only goal of the American Freedom Defense Initiative. American Freedom Defense Initiative as an "active anti-Muslim group."

I don't agree with both sides.

It could be argued that holding the contest induced panic and violence to the public. Their first amendment rights would be prohibited then. Much like the age old example of screaming bomb in the middle of a mall.

Much like you said, I'm not agreeing with either side and agree with what you're saying.

isadore;1727166 wrote:Gosh a ruddies support for slaughter. Hopefully in America no one would be cheering the slaughter of people for exercising their free speech. That of course would justify people supporting the slaughter of the Charlie Hebdo folks just because what cartoonist drew was offensive to them. <o></o
If you say, write or draw this we will kill you and so you don’t. That is the beginning of the end of free speech when it is limited by the threat of violence. In every free nation in the world there should be contests to draw the Prophet in order to assert this basic right of demoncracy.<o></o

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isadore;1727166 wrote:Gosh a ruddies support for slaughter. Hopefully in America no one would be cheering the slaughter of people for exercising their free speech. That of course would justify people supporting the slaughter of the Charlie Hebdo folks just because what cartoonist drew was offensive to them. <o></o>
If you say, write or draw this we will kill you and so you don’t. That is the beginning of the end of free speech when it is limited by the threat of violence. In every free nation in the world there should be contests to draw the Prophet in order to assert this basic right of demoncracy.<o></o>

So are you ok with these people exercising their first amendment rights?

bigkahuna;1727181 wrote:So are you ok with these people exercising their first amendment rights?

There is a difference between being ok with someone exercising their 1st amendment rights, and actually supporting what they are doing/saying. Flag burning is legal under the 1st amendment. But I don't agree with the actual actions of it.

WebFire;1727191 wrote:There is a difference between being ok with someone exercising their 1st amendment rights, and actually supporting what they are doing/saying. Flag burning is legal under the 1st amendment. But I don't agree with the actual actions of it.

I don't either, but iso was the one that went on and on (sarcastically) about not saying this or doing that (things protected under the first amendment) because it pisses people off, all I'm asking him or anyone else is what about this? Would you support the right to do this knowing how it makes people feel/react? You can't say that there was nothing wrong with having the contest knowing that it was piss some extremists off then say that flag burning/stomping should be stopped/prohibbited/banned....

bigkahuna;1727201 wrote:I don't either, but iso was the one that went on and on (sarcastically) about not saying this or doing that (things protected under the first amendment) because it pisses people off, all I'm asking him or anyone else is what about this? Would you support the right to do this knowing how it makes people feel/react? You can't say that there was nothing wrong with having the contest knowing that it was piss some extremists off then say that flag burning/stomping should be stopped/prohibbited/banned....

I agree. It's hard because people views and emotions get in the way. People will never express the same level of agreement on something they don't support vs. something they do. Human nature.

The First Amendment protects the freedom of all Americans rights, freedom of speech, religion and the right to peaceably assemble. This means I can hold a rally for homeless puppies or drawing contest of Mohammed it my American citizen right to do, with local legal regulations and approval.

American Constitution over rules Islam doctrine, in America&#8230; hope this helps

Islam is not a religion by their own admission.
Muslims do not describe Islam as a religion. Rather, it is a deen, which comes from the Arabic word for way of life, conviction, or creed. Muslims contend that Islam is more than a religious belief &#8212; it is a way of living in accordance with one's religious faith.

When a cult or a group within America attempts with radical behavior persuading the citizen of America to comment violent crimes against its people, other religions groups within their doctrine of believes and attach our First Amendment freedom our government should be the first to investigate and put a end this organization financial support, government funding and operation existences. &#8230;&#8230;.

bigkahuna;1727181 wrote:So are you ok with these people exercising their first amendment rights?

Liberal Logic 101 ........... Burn my flag with the intent of disrespect and dishonor for my country ... and do it wear white fucking socks, you need your ass kicked ...

Belly35;1727235 wrote:Liberal Logic 101 ........... Burn my flag with the intent of disrespect and dishonor for my country ... and do it wear white fucking socks, you need your ass kicked ...

I agree that he needs his ass kicked for wearing white socks like that. Also, you have proven my point.

raiderbuck;1727168 wrote:The First Amendment also protects freedom of religion. Also, I think you're confusing my opposition to this event as support for extremist behavior. Which I do not. See below:

Yes the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Amendment protects the free exercise of religion. It does not give a religion’s adherents the power to prevent others from criticizing that religion. When violence or the threat of violence prohibits free speech then democracy loses. At that time exercising free speech is an act of patriotism to show that threats will not be allowed to limit our basic rights.<o></o>

bigkahuna;1727173 wrote:It could be argued that holding the contest induced panic and violence to the public. Their first amendment rights would be prohibited then. Much like the age old example of screaming bomb in the middle of a mall.

Much like you said, I'm not agreeing with either side and agree with what you're saying.

luckily for free speech it could not be argued successfully in court in America or freedom of speech would be severely abridged.

bigkahuna;1727181 wrote:So are you ok with these people exercising their first amendment rights?

do I like seeing US flags burned, no. Would I prevent them from doing it, no, that is freedom of expression.

isadore;1727044 wrote:Should we be blackmailed by the fanaticism of the violent adherents of Islam? The right to criticize any institution is protected in this nation. Muslims are forcing their taboos on all of us by murder and the threat of murder. <o></o>

This.
If you live in this country, then you agree to accept to live by it's laws. People/organizations protest/demonstrate ALL THE TIME. That does nopt give anybody the right or EXCUSE to turn violent and start shooting. Protesters burn American flags, Westboro Baptist church disrupts funerals....does that give anyone the right or excuse to start shooting? Muslims have every right to protest or picket AFDI events...nonviolently. They do not have a right nor AN EXCUSE to start shooting.

True. Gosh a ruddies the attempt to equate the exercise of free speech with an act of terrorism is nauseating. People on this thread and elsewhere give moral equivalence to a cartoon contest and an attempt at mass murder. One is a protected exercise in free speech and the other a would be atrocity. People should not be intimidated from the exercise of free speech by the threat of violence.

isadore;1727265 wrote:luckily for free speech it could not be argued successfully in court in America or freedom of speech would be severely abridged.

It has been before though. If you could be found to induce violence/fear/panic/chaos... through your freedom of speech, then you're freedom of speech is basically "void"(for lack of a better term). That's why the Westboro people can no longer protest directly outside of a church during a funeral. That's why in Baltimore had a curfew, and why Philadelphia prohibited protesters from marching on I-90 last week.

isadore;1727293 wrote:True. Gosh a ruddies the attempt to equate the exercise of free speech with an act of terrorism is nauseating.

What's most nauseating is your continued use of "Gosh a ruddies" to begin every post.

Uz2Bon36;1727336 wrote:What's most nauseating is your continued use of "Gosh a ruddies" to begin every post.

If I could rep this post multiple times, I would. I think I might create some fake usernames just so I can.

Uz2Bon36;1727336 wrote:What's most nauseating is your continued use of "Gosh a ruddies" to begin every post.

THat is the "character" he works at developing here - on an Ohio based sports chat forum. Seems like a lot more thought and care than the circumstance would warrant, but to each his own.

All I can say about the Texas situation is that whenever people piss off the Religion of Peace, death follows closely. Subjugated women, fascination with death, aggressive goals, ignorance of knowledge, and more killing than you can shake a stick at. Beautiful.

bigkahuna;1727334 wrote:It has been before though. If you could be found to induce violence/fear/panic/chaos... through your freedom of speech, then you're freedom of speech is basically "void"(for lack of a better term).

It was a cartoon contest for God's sake. If that causes extremists in the Muslim world to shoot people, then it is further proof that many of them should no longer live in this country. We are a nation of laws; the laws allow people to express differing viewpoints, make fools of themselves, and make controversial statements. If you can't handle that and will resort to violence and lawbreaking, then get the hell out of our country.

QuakerOats;1727366 wrote:It was a cartoon contest for God's sake. If that causes extremists in the Muslim world to shoot people, then it is further proof that many of them should no longer live in this country. We are a nation of laws; the laws allow people to express differing viewpoints, make fools of themselves, and make controversial statements. If you can't handle that and will resort to violence and lawbreaking, then get the hell out of our country.

So do you disagree with the city of Baltimore putting a curfew in place? Do you agree with Philadelphia PD banning a protest on I-90? Do you disagree with Westboro Baptist Church not being able to protest right outside of a funeral instead of in a designated area away from said funeral?

bigkahuna;1727334 wrote:It has been before though. If you could be found to induce violence/fear/panic/chaos... through your freedom of speech, then you're freedom of speech is basically "void"(for lack of a better term). That's why the Westboro people can no longer protest directly outside of a church during a funeral. That's why in Baltimore had a curfew, and why Philadelphia prohibited protesters from marching on I-90 last week.

So flag burning should be illegal because it incites?

bigkahuna;1727338 wrote:If I could rep this post multiple times, I would. I think I might create some fake usernames just so I can.

I will Rep.

bigkahuna;1727334 wrote:It has been before though. If you could be found to induce violence/fear/panic/chaos... through your freedom of speech, then you're freedom of speech is basically "void"(for lack of a better term). That's why the Westboro people can no longer protest directly outside of a church during a funeral. That's why in Baltimore had a curfew, and why Philadelphia prohibited protesters from marching on I-90 last week.

you are wrong. In the Muslim cartoon had no threat of violence. As can be seen in the case of Smith v Collins the Nazis could march through a pre dominantly Jewish community. And the Westboro church won their case.

Uz2Bon36;1727336 wrote:What's most nauseating is your continued use of "Gosh a ruddies" to begin every post.

gosh a ruddies I sure feel bad about that.

I'm kinda surprised Texas doesn't actually have an open hunting season on Muslims. Maybe they need one. Maybe we all do.