Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 3, 2015 1:26pm
That, and while I'm preferring MMA to boxing now, one can't understate how much the combination of diluting the product with a ton of cards, many featuring no names AND seemingly every big name getting injured or suspended is retarding MMA's progress in being the king of that sort of sport. Tradition might be all boxing has going for it, but MMA isn't exactly lighting the world on fire, either.rmolin73;1726410 wrote:You can't be serious. One boxing match draws twice of what mma draws. The fight last night pretty much obliterated what mma does in a year lol.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 3, 2015 3:01pm
Canelo is not a huge draw, his ppv fight after the Floyd fight drew around 300K buys, that's about what Jose Aldo is. I've been watching boxing since the early 90's but it's not the same sport it once was, it's a business, there are very few classic fights anymore. There are some fun fighters out there but the general public doesn't know who they are. Last night was a chance for boxing to boost itself in a big way and it was a total let down. I'll still watch but it's not about the best guys fighting the best anymore, most guys are protected as hell until they can get to a few big pay days.Classyposter58;1726393 wrote:Canelo is a huge draw. And UFC has more events, the biggest tho are regularly boxing matches
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robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 3, 2015 3:02pm
Money wise yes, interest wise no. The UFC does big fights every month, this fight was an anomaly business wise, they fooled everyone.rmolin73;1726410 wrote:You can't be serious. One boxing match draws twice of what mma draws. The fight last night pretty much obliterated what mma does in a year lol.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 3, 2015 3:04pm
Canelo/Kirkland next weekend will be a much better fight.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
May 3, 2015 8:01pm
Trust me I would prefer to watch a UFC match over boxing any day. But I'm talking strictly pay per view dollars which equates to boxing still having more interest than UFC. UFC 172 had about 350,000 pay per view buys while the Pacquiao/Bradley fight had about 775,000.robj55;1726440 wrote:Money wise yes, interest wise no. The UFC does big fights every month, this fight was an anomaly business wise, they fooled everyone.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 3, 2015 8:22pm
I get what you're saying but boxing only has two PPV draws, Manny and Floyd who are almost retired, someone else will have to step up. The UFC has sold more PPV's than vboxing for like 8 straight years. This Floyd and Manny fight probably did an unreal number though, they let it sit and marinate with the general population for 6 years, played everyone.rmolin73;1726461 wrote:Trust me I would prefer to watch a UFC match over boxing any day. But I'm talking strictly pay per view dollars which equates to boxing still having more interest than UFC. UFC 172 had about 350,000 pay per view buys while the Pacquiao/Bradley fight had about 775,000.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
May 3, 2015 8:23pm
And UFC 168 did 1.1 million.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 3, 2015 8:36pm
Is there an official number out for PPV buys? 5 million?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 3, 2015 9:03pm
No that won't be out likely for a few weeks, I'm guessing around 3 million, could be more but I heard a lot of people couldn't order because of the overload of last minute orders. Could hurt the final number. They did themselves no favors with the $100 price tag with the casuals, a lot of people feeling ripped off after that stinker.Azubuike24;1726468 wrote:Is there an official number out for PPV buys? 5 million?
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 3, 2015 9:06pm
Some friends and I projected from firstrowsports for $0. The picture was fuzzy but we never lost our feed, and we knew it would be too much defense from Floyd to bother paying.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 9:27am
Pacman fights hurt to get his payday. Biggest moneygrab in recent memory. Nice job sheeple!
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
May 5, 2015 9:49am
At least it helps explain why his activity level wasn't near what people expected. If I had a torn rotator cuff and couldn't take any pain killers I would be struggling out there as well.Automatik;1726741 wrote:Pacman fights hurt to get his payday. Biggest moneygrab in recent memory. Nice job sheeple!
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 10:12am
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 11:35am
Money say's he's open to a rematch.
LOL
They'll fool everyone again for another $400 million payday!
LOL
They'll fool everyone again for another $400 million payday!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 5, 2015 11:39am
I think the rematch is straight retarded. I didn't watch the fight but anyone I talked to expressed the same thing "boring, waste of money, never again". The next fight will bring in 2% of what this fight did if that.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 11:40am
I doubt. People are stupid. They will hype the shit out of it and we'll all be duped again.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 5, 2015 11:53am
It'll still make money but I think the casual fans won't give a shit.Automatik;1726763 wrote:I doubt. People are stupid. They will hype the shit out of it and we'll all be duped again.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 5, 2015 1:43pm
It won't be as big, but if they claim Manny is healthy, it will still out sell any boxing or UFC PPV other than this one. I mean, UFC isn't exactly tearing it up and I don't see any super, super card draws coming...Jones vs Rumble was about as close as it was going to get.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 5, 2015 1:48pm
I don't know why you keep saying we all got "duped"Automatik;1726763 wrote:I doubt. People are stupid. They will hype the shit out of it and we'll all be duped again.
I knew exactly what would happen in this fight and that actually happened. I paid the $100 because it's just a hundred and I was happy with what I saw. I watched for the surprise of an upset or something crazy happening. It didn't but I don't feel I got duped.
Now if you came into this thinking it would be a knockout fest, maybe those people got duped. Or they're just retards.
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Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 1:51pm
You came in expecting a 100% Pacman, right?
You don't care that you dropped $100 and he hid the injury?
fwiw I think the result is the same even if he is 100%.....Floyd in a decision after a boring ass fight.
The same will happen in the rematch. They are close to 40, it's a fucking joke. Will you drop another $100 on that one?
You don't care that you dropped $100 and he hid the injury?
fwiw I think the result is the same even if he is 100%.....Floyd in a decision after a boring ass fight.
The same will happen in the rematch. They are close to 40, it's a fucking joke. Will you drop another $100 on that one?
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 5, 2015 1:55pm
Doubt it will be $100. Probably $60 or $70. Bottom line, they will get people to buy it.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 5, 2015 1:56pm
I'm going with $120.
But you're right. People will eat it up. Fight of the Millennium 2.0! The rematch!!
But you're right. People will eat it up. Fight of the Millennium 2.0! The rematch!!
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 5, 2015 2:09pm
You honestly think the cost will be MORE? No way...
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 5, 2015 2:25pm
UFC 187 and 189 are tremendous cards, boxing ppv cards pale in comparison to that type of quality.Azubuike24;1726788 wrote:It won't be as big, but if they claim Manny is healthy, it will still out sell any boxing or UFC PPV other than this one. I mean, UFC isn't exactly tearing it up and I don't see any super, super card draws coming...Jones vs Rumble was about as close as it was going to get.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
May 5, 2015 2:29pm
True.robj55;1726797 wrote:UFC 187 and 189 are tremendous cards, boxing ppv cards pale in comparison to that type of quality.
and while MMA is more popular than boxing there just is something....different and special, that bring people to the table for a big time boxing event. The history, the rarity of a big event (UFCs are common) and the mystique of a big time boxing match does trump MMA.....even if MMA is a more popular event.
Doesnt quite make sense.....but it is just how it goes.
If there is a rematch it will be pumped up that Pac is now healthy and it will be a real fight, blah blah blah. I doubt you see the price lowered.
and because of "glitches" it will be pushed back later and later in the evening to get even more buys at the time.