believer
Posts: 8,153
Apr 1, 2015 5:42pm
We really need to be discussing why the law ISN'T really another pro-right wing attack on gays and liberals.SportsAndLady;1717843 wrote:This isn't a "God durn O-Burma!" Anti-left wing thread that most of this site has. This is a thread to discuss the law, not discuss why the law is another attack on Christians and conservatives.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 1, 2015 7:51pm
I'm already pretty damn tired of reading/hearing about it 24/7.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Apr 1, 2015 7:57pm
heard a Clinton soundbite today on the radio,,,, jesus the left was doing and saying the same thing 20 years ago. Its unreal how everyone has to play politics with everything
believer
Posts: 8,153
Apr 2, 2015 6:40am
amenfish82;1718087 wrote:I'm already pretty damn tired of reading/hearing about it 24/7.
preach it bruthaSpock;1718089 wrote:heard a Clinton soundbite today on the radio,,,, jesus the left was doing and saying the same thing 20 years ago. Its unreal how everyone has to play politics with everything
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 2, 2015 8:26am
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568#digest-headingbeliever;1718063 wrote:We really need to be discussing why the law ISN'T really another pro-right wing attack on gays and liberals.
There is absolutely nothing in here that is discriminatory. That it is being touted as that without challenge from the media and by politicians is pure political fabrication.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Apr 2, 2015 10:06am
Doesnt the government already deny a certain percentage of the population the right to follow their beliefs in polygamy? Will gay rights for marriage give polygamist a chance to plead their case?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Apr 2, 2015 10:44am
AND THEN PEOPLE WILL MARRY SHEEP!!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!redstreak one;1718190 wrote:Doesnt the government already deny a certain percentage of the population the right to follow their beliefs in polygamy? Will gay rights for marriage give polygamist a chance to plead their case?
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Apr 2, 2015 10:55am
THIS MOTHERFUCKER AIN'T ONE OF US!!! HE SAID HE'D FUCK A SHEEP!!!Heretic;1718204 wrote:AND THEN PEOPLE WILL MARRY SHEEP!!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 2, 2015 10:59am
Sheep are beautiful creatures.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 2, 2015 11:26am
HitsRus;1718172 wrote:https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568#digest-heading
There is absolutely nothing in here that is discriminatory. That it is being touted as that without challenge from the media and by politicians is pure political fabrication.
BINGO.
Most of today's 'journalists' are little more than ignorant, lazy, liberal lapdogs; 180 degrees from their intended role as watchdog of government. To understand the law they would have to have some semblance of comprehension, but it is easier to just march in lockstep with the politically correct crowd.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Apr 2, 2015 11:54am
Liberal media deflection agenda from the issue of importants:
Hillary, IRS, Iran, Keystone, Terroist
Hillary, IRS, Iran, Keystone, Terroist
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 2, 2015 12:55pm
Ideally it would allow all adults in consenting relationships to plead their case.redstreak one;1718190 wrote:Doesnt the government already deny a certain percentage of the population the right to follow their beliefs in polygamy? Will gay rights for marriage give polygamist a chance to plead their case?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 2, 2015 1:22pm
Apple has more stores in Tehran than in Indiana; yet the head of Apple rants about Indiana's law (same law as obama signed on to in Illinois which he did not rant against), but does he say anything about the real abuse of gays and women in Iran, as in executions, stoning etc... Hell no! It is just easier to sign on to the politically correct agenda being rammed down our throats, especially if a financial incentive exists. The hypocrisy of the Left is simply immeasurable.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 2, 2015 1:44pm
That is what RFRA is about...giving legal standing in the courts to arguements related to religious freedom. In the case of the polygamist, he could argue from relief from prosecution from antipolygamy laws. That does not mean he will win, only that his arguement has legal standing. The court would decide if his arguement had merit, or if the greater public good is served compared to the burden imposed.justincredible;1718276 wrote:Ideally it would allow all adults in consenting relationships to plead their case.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 3, 2015 9:45am
If somebody hates somebody irrationally or not, the government isn't going to change that. Why do people think it's the governments job? It's society's job, as a society we take the shittiest route (government) to put an end to hate. No matter how many laws the government will pass, it still want not end hate. If anything it rubs people the wrong way and the hate grows stronger.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Apr 3, 2015 9:47am
This guy hits a homerun. Where is the outrage?
[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4][/video]
[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4][/video]
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Apr 3, 2015 10:17am
If I were in charge, I'd get the US Congress to pass, and then the states to ratify, a Commerce Conscientious Objection Amendment giving businesses the right to deny the sale of products and/or services on moral/religious grounds.
Just as the military cannot force a conscientious objector to participate in killing, (though the person can still perform other duties in the military), so too, businesses will not be forced to provided products and/or services that go against their moral and religious beliefs.
Problem solved.
Just as the military cannot force a conscientious objector to participate in killing, (though the person can still perform other duties in the military), so too, businesses will not be forced to provided products and/or services that go against their moral and religious beliefs.
Problem solved.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 3, 2015 10:58am
Word.like_that;1718444 wrote:If somebody hates somebody irrationally or not, the government isn't going to change that. Why do people think it's the governments job? It's society's job, as a society we take the shittiest route (government) to put an end to hate. No matter how many laws the government will pass, it still want not end hate. If anything it rubs people the wrong way and the hate grows stronger.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Apr 3, 2015 11:02am
pretty muchQuakerOats;1718294 wrote:Apple has more stores in Tehran than in Indiana; yet the head of Apple rants about Indiana's law (same law as obama signed on to in Illinois which he did not rant against), but does he say anything about the real abuse of gays and women in Iran, as in executions, stoning etc... Hell no! It is just easier to sign on to the politically correct agenda being rammed down our throats, especially if a financial incentive exists. The hypocrisy of the Left is simply immeasurable.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 3, 2015 11:56am
TedSheckler;1718445 wrote:This guy hits a homerun. Where is the outrage?
[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4][/video]
At the 5:07 mark --------- BINGO !!!!!
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Apr 4, 2015 11:25am
Definitely a "religious" law, because I don't think the scriptures of Jesus align with these types of actions. I think a lot of "religious" folk of today would be peeved with his "liberal" tendencies. The republican party probably would call him a socialist-pacifist. Blessed is the peacemaker. Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 4, 2015 12:54pm
I think Jesus would probably say "hey, being crucified over here....a fucking cake is not the end of your world"
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 4, 2015 5:35pm
I don't think a lot of actions on both sides of the aisle align with Jesus's teachings....Definitely a "religious" law, because I don't think the scriptures of Jesus align with these types of actions
Hence...
in redemption for our screw ups.hey, being crucified over here
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Apr 7, 2015 5:46am
Oh it definitely would be if you just read it as-is without context. The point I was driving at (and I really could have invested more time into my response, that's my bad), in context with the topic, was that people are going nuts over stuff like not wanting to cater to a gay wedding - and then boycotting it as a reaction.This might be one of the site's all-time greatest logical fallacies. "If someone holds beliefs you find offensive and you don't financially support them (and, by proxy, their viewpoint), YOU'RE AS BAD AS THEM!!!!!"
The whole idea of poor little victims is has just oversaturated the media market. Through cheap headliners, sensationalized wording, kneejerk reactionaries and downplaying others' responses, this is where we're at in the US. And it is because of this that people like me are just desensitized to all of it. All of it. I just cannot get myself to find any favorable response for either side, really. And then I find myself saying things like "I don't care" and "This is getting ridiculous".
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Apr 7, 2015 6:56am
Gay rallies there are no shooting, looting and burning on the other hand....
The same freedoms, rights and liberties that gays want and individual choice they rally against....
I open a business, invest my time, money and take the risk of ownership...... My faith, believes are mine, how I opperate within the guidelines of the law is my business, my failure, my success are mine, It's my business not yours... not the media, not someone else, not others faith or believes ....
The same freedoms, rights and liberties that gays want and individual choice they rally against....
I open a business, invest my time, money and take the risk of ownership...... My faith, believes are mine, how I opperate within the guidelines of the law is my business, my failure, my success are mine, It's my business not yours... not the media, not someone else, not others faith or believes ....