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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jul 11, 2015 10:42pm
I'm curious to how much you guys actually know about Jeb...if you don't like him or his policies fine, but seems like dismissing him because of his last name is kind of ignorant. Although I'd accept that you're concerned about his advisors/cabinet being drawn from the Bush network of neocons.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jul 12, 2015 8:55am
I think most Americans, and this includes myself, just do not want to see the Presidency regurgitated between a handful of names. I absolutely do not think that America would benefit from that in any capacity. We should have learned our lesson with the Roosevelt's and should have paid careful attention to the Kennedy's.
I think seeing one family member in that sort of position of power is enough, whether it is President, Senator, etc. At that point it is fairly obvious that they want those positions too much. Their ambitions start to exceed their interest of being useful.
I think seeing one family member in that sort of position of power is enough, whether it is President, Senator, etc. At that point it is fairly obvious that they want those positions too much. Their ambitions start to exceed their interest of being useful.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 12, 2015 10:05am
^^^Yea wait till Obamas daughter get old enough to be president.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 12, 2015 11:29am
Out of all the republicans he is not my first choice, but his policies are not ridiculous enough where I wouldn't vote for him if he were to get the nod for the Republican side. My issue is there will be plenty of people who simply won't vote for him, because of his last name. Let's be real here. People are still bitching about Bush 6 years after his stint. Those same people will simply not vote for Jeb because of it. I rather have a Republican who has a chance to defeat Hillary. I think there are numerous options that could beat Hillary, but Bush isn't one of them.gut;1740444 wrote:I'm curious to how much you guys actually know about Jeb...if you don't like him or his policies fine, but seems like dismissing him because of his last name is kind of ignorant. Although I'd accept that you're concerned about his advisors/cabinet being drawn from the Bush network of neocons.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jul 12, 2015 12:00pm
Jeb: aside from a handful of other PUB candidates I think would actually lead better than him (which is my main reason for not wanting to see him get the nod), I dislike his admiration/acceptance/basic liking of common core.
Our federal government is too heavily involved in all areas of our existence. That kind of pervasiveness needs to be - not just "scaled back" - but removed! I will vote for the candidate who has the plan to make this happen. And in my mind, it ain't Jeb Bush. (And CERTAINLY NOT. Hillary, Bernie, E. Warren, or whomever the left offers.)
Our federal government is too heavily involved in all areas of our existence. That kind of pervasiveness needs to be - not just "scaled back" - but removed! I will vote for the candidate who has the plan to make this happen. And in my mind, it ain't Jeb Bush. (And CERTAINLY NOT. Hillary, Bernie, E. Warren, or whomever the left offers.)
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Jul 12, 2015 3:01pm
I thought Bernie was against patriot act.. Can you give an example why he is lumped with the establishment on your list? I'm trying to learn more.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Jul 12, 2015 3:29pm
Bernie is a socialist.rydawg5;1740517 wrote:I thought Bernie was against patriot act.. Can you give an example why he is lumped with the establishment on your list? I'm trying to learn more.
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cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jul 12, 2015 4:19pm
What superman said. If he is against the Patriot Act, I applaud him. But the fact that he's a socialist means that he'll have loads of other federal programs that will dismantle individual rights or even states' rights.
Socialism is the bridge that takes nations from freedom to communism. I like individual freedom and our constitution.
Socialism is the bridge that takes nations from freedom to communism. I like individual freedom and our constitution.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jul 12, 2015 5:04pm
It's a bridge massive debt, and the US is doing just fine, thank you, accumulating massive debt without adding a bunch more entitlements.cruiser_96;1740526 wrote: Socialism is the bridge that takes nations from freedom to communism. I like individual freedom and our constitution.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jul 12, 2015 9:39pm
I'd vote for Colonel Sanders before I'd vote for Bernie Sanders. Come to think of it, I'd vote for anyone but him. Economics is greek to him (pun intended.)
Worse, he is a redux of Dennis Kucinich as mayor of Cleveland, blasting the banks, corporations, business....and we know how that turned out.
It is irreponsible going around telling people that everybody but themselves are to blame for their problems, yet he and others make their political career with that schtick taking advantage of the unsophisticated and/or telling people what they want to hear.
Worse, he is a redux of Dennis Kucinich as mayor of Cleveland, blasting the banks, corporations, business....and we know how that turned out.
It is irreponsible going around telling people that everybody but themselves are to blame for their problems, yet he and others make their political career with that schtick taking advantage of the unsophisticated and/or telling people what they want to hear.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 12, 2015 10:09pm
To be fair to Bernie, the "people" he is calling out (big banks, government, etc) are actually corrupt and are continuously caught with relatively small punishment.HitsRus;1740550 wrote:I'd vote for Colonel Sanders before I'd vote for Bernie Sanders. Come to think of it, I'd vote for anyone but him. Economics is greek to him (pun intended.)
Worse, he is a redux of Dennis Kucinich as mayor of Cleveland, blasting the banks, corporations, business....and we know how that turned out.
It is irreponsible going around telling people that everybody but themselves are to blame for their problems, yet he and others make their political career with that schtick taking advantage of the unsophisticated and/or telling people what they want to hear.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jul 13, 2015 7:40am
Is he blasting government?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 13, 2015 8:22am
Speaks out heavily against the NSA, bashes government officials who do not vote based on their ideological beliefs (i.e a lot of what is wrong with government), distances himself from partisan politics (running as independent).HitsRus;1740562 wrote:Is he blasting government?
I could go on. He's not your typical presidential candidate because he isn't your typical government official.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jul 13, 2015 9:50am
Bernie Sanders is Ross Perot for the new millennium. :laugh:
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 14, 2015 9:19am
Can Hillary suck any more? http://www.cnet.com/news/hillary-clinton-takes-aim-at-uber-during-speech-gig-economy/
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 14, 2015 9:28am
There's no way she becomes president right? Please tell me there's no way she becomes president...like_that;1740683 wrote:Can Hillary suck any more? http://www.cnet.com/news/hillary-clinton-takes-aim-at-uber-during-speech-gig-economy/
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Jul 14, 2015 9:44am
Considering that most people who vote for dems actually like what she stands for.......this is a very real possibility.SportsAndLady;1740687 wrote:There's no way she becomes president right? Please tell me there's no way she becomes president...
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jul 14, 2015 9:51am
Not my BitchSportsAndLady;1740687 wrote:There's no way she becomes president right? Please tell me there's no way she becomes president...
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Jul 14, 2015 9:55am
The fact that Obama, with all the hype, really needed the super committee to seal the deal in the primaries against her scares me.
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fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jul 14, 2015 3:47pm
She's not going to be President.SportsAndLady;1740687 wrote:There's no way she becomes president right? Please tell me there's no way she becomes president...
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jul 14, 2015 11:05pm
she will not win. She has a rap sheet a mile long.fish82;1740775 wrote:She's not going to be President.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jul 15, 2015 11:28am
The free market is giving her a about a 50% chance of being president and an 85% chance for the democratic nominee. And, since Janet Yellen is in the back pocket of the clintons I don't think she blows it for her.SportsAndLady;1740687 wrote:There's no way she becomes president right? Please tell me there's no way she becomes president...
Lot of time left though.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jul 15, 2015 11:32am
Spock;1740823 wrote:she will not win. She has a rap sheet a mile long.
The only people who think that are the talk rafio listeners and people who read drudge.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Jul 15, 2015 11:34am
Who do you think is going to be president?fish82;1740775 wrote:She's not going to be President.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 15, 2015 11:34am
I do neither, and it's pretty apparent she has quite the history of being a suspicious slime ball. Just stop.BoatShoes;1740900 wrote:The only people who think that are the talk rafio listeners and people who read drudge.