lhslep134;1699950 wrote:That post was insider

Lol.....I thought I was the author

Metrics will start helping hitters

IggyPride00;1699909 wrote:Why does everyone love the defensive shift so much? It has basically made the single extinct in MLB.

LOL ... Plenty of good singles to hit if you have any bat control. The problem is that hitters are coming up to the majors not able or unwilling to bunt for a base hit or how to hit the ball the opposite way. For a long time , they put a premium the home run... And teams are willing to pay big bucks for it. Defensive shifts have been a way to counterbalance that and are forcing the pendulum to swing back to more complete hitters.
Baseball had always been a game of change and adaptation .

BR1986FB;1699809 wrote:Good or bad, I think he's trying to inject some new ideas to make the game interesting for the younger crowd. Unless you're an old school/diehard, baseball is one of the most boring things to watch on the planet. "Purists" will scoff at his ideas but I think he's just trying to save what seems like a slowly dying sport.

MLB had the 6th and 7th highest attendance in the history of the sport the past two years, down slightly from its peak only a few years ago. If there is a problem among younger people it is because there are more choices for youth sports. There was a time when nearly every young boy with any athleticism played little league in the summer. Now with the growth of other sports like soccer, more kids are growing up unfamiliar with the game, and that's a problem because if you are unfamiliar with the game, you are more likely to be bored. People that know the game and its strategies are not bored. The other problem that has plagued the sport is the loss of African American interest...that has been in discussion for a number of years.

Frankly, I'm getting fed up with football and the NFL constantly changing the rules. I find myself watching less and less.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-proposes-defensive-shift-ban/

My question is how will time be kept? An ump with a stopwatch or a countdown clock on scoreboards around the stadium?

HitsRus;1699805 wrote:Listen to what he has to say.....
Not a good start to his tenure, which if this is what he is all about...I hope is very short.

Clock on the pitcher??? ...meh
"Eliminate defensive shifts".....ugh,:RpS_glare:.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12221038

If you want to beat a shift, learn to hit the ball to all fields.

There is already a time limit in the rule book. They just need to enforce the rules. I agree with you about the shift.

People say it's dying because the national ratings are so low. However, the regional ratings, are probably through the freaking roof. Nobody watched the ESPN Sunday night game because we already watched our team on FSN or STO or whatever during the day.

Laley23;1700042 wrote:People say it's dying because the national ratings are so low. However, the regional ratings, are probably through the freaking roof. Nobody watched the ESPN Sunday night game because we already watched our team on FSN or STO or whatever during the day.

Exactly. Same thing for the saturday games of the week. They did try to change things up with making some of them night games but that also screws up scheduling of the non fox games.
I am a baseball guy but I dont watch the Sunday night games that often. After watching/listening to parts of all the reds games I dont care to watch some national game...especially yankees/bosox.
The contracts for the regional carriers are monsterous, and attendance is still high so those are good signs.

Laley23;1700042 wrote:People say it's dying because the national ratings are so low. However, the regional ratings, are probably through the freaking roof. Nobody watched the ESPN Sunday night game because we already watched our team on FSN or STO or whatever during the day.

Precisely. If you can see virtually every game that local teams play on a day-to-day basis, it's not like you really need to see that Sunday Night ESPNewYorkYankees* game every fucking week.

*Could also be Red Sox, Cards, Dodgers or Angels.

Game just needs speeded up is all. Football can get away with being 3.5 hours because it's played only 12-15 times a year or 16-20 depending on the level and almost every game is during the weekend. Hockey and Basketball are popular because they're only 2.5 hours or a little less usually, it's not overly draining to watch a game on a weeknight. But when you have 162 games and almost all of them are over 3 hours, that's just too much on the fans. The only reason I've really became a huge baseball fan recently is because I finally got a DVR so I could watch each game in just about an hour-hour and a half.

The way lacrosse and soccer are growing, combined with almost all the best athletes exclusively playing football, the sport is really starting to suffer in America. Kids want to be Messi, or Lebron or Durant or Manning or Brady, not Trout or Cabrera

Classyposter58;1700085 wrote:Kids want to be Messi, or Lebron or Durant or Manning or Brady, not Cabrera

Shocking that no one wants to be a wife-beating alcoholic when they grow up.

GOONx19;1700102 wrote:Shocking that no one wants to be a wife-beating alcoholic when they grow up.

Bro, do you even BG?

I don't get the defensive shift thing at all... Be a better hitter? The shtf only happens on power hitters who can't actually hit for average and just pull everything. Makes no sense


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iclfan2;1700128 wrote:I don't get the defensive shift thing at all... Be a better hitter? The shtf only happens on power hitters who can't actually hit for average and just pull everything. Makes no sense


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Only affect LH I guess....waaah, most of them bat left handed to gain an advantage in the first place.

They can take the bunt single but rarely ever do.

BR1986FB;1699830 wrote:I feel the same way. Used to watch every Tribe game and would go down to Municipal Satdium or the Jake every so often. Even when offered free tickets, I pass.

You went to tribe games, but still not ONE browns game live?

Strike three on a foul after two strikes......

Also I like the clock idea, hate the defensive shift idea. Other changes:

-Shorten the season. 162 is wayyy too fucking long.
-Salary cap.
-The wildcard "play in" should be a 3 game series. All three games played at the higher seed's stadium.
-The ALDS/NLDS should be a 7 game series.
-Get rid of divisions.
-Stop letting the all star game determine home field advantage for the WS. It was a knee jerk reaction by Selig, because he fucked up and ended an all star game in a tie.

BRF;1700272 wrote:Strike three on a foul after two strikes......

NOt sure if you are serious or not, but awful idea.
They wont do anything that will affect stats.

thavoice;1700282 wrote:NOt sure if you are serious or not, but awful idea.
They wont do anything that will affect stats.

I was jk. As a long time fan, I would not take away shifts, but do think something needs to be done about the "dead time".

like_that;1700273 wrote:Also I like the clock idea, hate the defensive shift idea. Other changes:

-Shorten the season. 162 is wayyy too fucking long.
-Salary cap.
-The wildcard "play in" should be a 3 game series. All three games played at the higher seed's stadium.
-The ALDS/NLDS should be a 7 game series.
-Get rid of divisions.
-Stop letting the all star game determine home field advantage for the WS. It was a knee jerk reaction by Selig, because he fucked up and ended an all star game in a tie.

-Agreed. Too long. If they shorten it they would go to 154 as that was what the length was and to keep hitting records intact. With that said, they will not give up games.
-Will discuss later.
-Agreed.
-Agreed.
-Agreed. A model I read about that was proposed was a balanced schedule. AL and an NL league. Everyone plays their league the same amount of times. You have interleague play with a rival, and also matched up against a team that finished the same as you did the year before like the NFL does with two of the games each season.
-Agreed. Stupid idea in the first place. I would rather see IL records between the two final teams to have home field.

As for a salary cap. Man, I am all for it. It is what makes the NFL great, right? Each team has the same amount of $$$ to spend on their payroll and you do what is best.

I have looked it up before and researched it and did so again this morning, because I am dumb like that.

What if I told you in the last 10 years that the NFL had 18 unique teams who made it to the final four. MLB? 20.

So in the last 10 seasons MLB had more teams get to that level.

Not that I am using that is a reason against the cap...I think it needs to come into place, but I heard Selig, and I know he is now gone, talk about that in an interview a number of years ago. He stated pretty much the same thing.

BRF;1700289 wrote:I was jk. As a long time fan, I would not take away shifts, but do think something needs to be done about the "dead time".

Ha. Just making sure!
Many blame the pitchers, and there are some that are human rain delays, but the batters fiddle around more. PItchers for the most part want to get the ball and pitch again. Helps the defense as well for not standing around again.

thavoice;1700294 wrote:-Agreed. Too long. If they shorten it they would go to 154 as that was what the length was and to keep hitting records intact. With that said, they will not give up games.
-Will discuss later.
-Agreed.
-Agreed.
-Agreed. A model I read about that was proposed was a balanced schedule. AL and an NL league. Everyone plays their league the same amount of times. You have interleague play with a rival, and also matched up against a team that finished the same as you did the year before like the NFL does with two of the games each season.
-Agreed. Stupid idea in the first place. I would rather see IL records between the two final teams to have home field.

As for a salary cap. Man, I am all for it. It is what makes the NFL great, right? Each team has the same amount of $$$ to spend on their payroll and you do what is best.

I have looked it up before and researched it and did so again this morning, because I am dumb like that.

What if I told you in the last 10 years that the NFL had 18 unique teams who made it to the final four. MLB? 20.

So in the last 10 seasons MLB had more teams get to that level.

Not that I am using that is a reason against the cap...I think it needs to come into place, but I heard Selig, and I know he is now gone, talk about that in an interview a number of years ago. He stated pretty much the same thing.

The baseball playoffs are such a crap shoot it doesn't surprise me. It is much tougher to consistently make the playoffs imo. Small market teams can make the playoffs and obviously win a title, but their window of opportunity is normally much smaller. Big market teams normally don't have to worry about what to do with two cy young pitchers on your staff, or 2 cy young pitchers and a MVP/future HOFer.

like_that;1700302 wrote:The baseball playoffs are such a crap shoot it doesn't surprise me. It is much tougher to consistently make the playoffs imo. Small market teams can make the playoffs and obviously win a title, but their window of opportunity is normally much smaller. Big market teams normally don't have to worry about what to do with two cy young pitchers on your staff, or 2 cy young pitchers and a MVP/future HOFer.

Agreed 100%. I just always am amazed at that stat though.
I know one stumbling block to a salary cap is that MLB teams are more seen as independent entities and brokering much bigger individual deals. NFL as a league has a huge contact deal with multiple networks, and teams have much smaller deals locally with radio and such. MLB teams negotiate with their local TV and some get insane $$$. I wish I could find the article that I read a few years ago bout how a cap in MLB wouldnt be as easy as the NFL.

like_that;1700269 wrote:You went to tribe games, but still not ONE browns game live?

I went to ONE Browns game....one of the worst sporting event experiences of my life.

Never will go again.