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Apr 30, 2015 5:47 PM
Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.

IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
Apr 30, 2015 5:47pm
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Apr 30, 2015 6:11 PM
hangonsloopy;1725643 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of trading up for Mariota but I'm tired of people saying they would "give up the farm" for him. Trading your second 1st this year(which you acquired for exactly this reason) and a first next year is not giving up the farm. Is it a lot? Sure. If they think he's gonna be great though it's a small price to pay.
If he's great, it would be a small price to pay. The problem with middle of the road (or lesser) QB's like the Browns have had are that they may get you to 5-7 wins year in, and year out. This is going to leave the team drafting in the 8-12 range which will be out of reach (likely) for a franchise QB. At some point, they are probably going to need to pull the trigger on a ridiculous trade up to get that guy.

And as an FYI, the Tits "starting point" in negotiations to come up from #12 is three 1st's. That's the starting point. They may back off on that but they want at least an RGIII type deal.
Apr 30, 2015 6:11pm
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Apr 30, 2015 6:33 PM
HitsRus;1725655 wrote:Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.

IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
ALL OF THIS.
Apr 30, 2015 6:33pm
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Apr 30, 2015 6:42 PM
Automatik;1725660 wrote:ALL OF THIS.
Yep. I repped Hits
Apr 30, 2015 6:42pm
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Apr 30, 2015 6:56 PM
HitsRus;1725655 wrote:Last year you used a #1 pick plus a later pick to move up toi get JFF. Now this year, on a small sample, you pull the plug on your judgement last year and give it no chance to succeed. This year you trade your two #1 picks plus more picks to get Mariotta, a guy with a good chance to be a franchise QB, but certainly, as NFL history shows us, hardly a guarantee.
Put that together and you will have spent 3 #1 picks plus extra picks in an attempt to acquire a QB that MAY succeed.
Do you think that is the way to build a successful team?...spending 3-5 top picks on 1 player and hoping for a hit? I don't know ANY successful teams that operate this way.

IMHO, you trust your initial judgement on Manziel, you apply your current draft picks on increasing and solidifying the areas of the team that you've neglected, and if JFF doesn't pan out...the QB crop next year is better.
Your point is valid, the only thing is one is 5'11" and can not read a playbook and the other is 6'4".
Apr 30, 2015 6:56pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:01 PM
Sonofanump;1725663 wrote:Your point is valid, the only thing is one is 5'11" and can not read a playbook and the other is 6'4".
Don't forget the other hasn't read a defense ever, nor has he taken a snap from under center.
Apr 30, 2015 7:01pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:50 PM
Just make your team better with good position players and not make a Cleveland move for once. Trading Wiggins was one mistake enough for this season, only guy they should move up for is Cooper


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Apr 30, 2015 7:50pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:54 PM
Trading Wiggins wasn't a mistake.
Apr 30, 2015 7:54pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:57 PM
Browns. Browns.
Apr 30, 2015 7:57pm
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Apr 30, 2015 7:58 PM
HighRoller74;1725678 wrote:Trading Wiggins wasn't a mistake.
Looks pretty dumb now because of the Love injury but there's no way they could have possibly foreseen that. haha
Apr 30, 2015 7:58pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:03 PM
Don't wanna hijack this thread but I thought it was terrible from the beginning. You get an eventual superstar for cheap. Also moving this was an awful idea, that theater has a ton of empty seats


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Apr 30, 2015 8:03pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:04 PM
Classyposter58;1725682 wrote:Also moving this was an awful idea, that theater has a ton of empty seats
You are a moron
Apr 30, 2015 8:04pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:04 PM
Haha I was about to say never mind it's filled up


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Apr 30, 2015 8:04pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:07 PM
Classy please get the fuck out of this thread until Round 1 is over
Apr 30, 2015 8:07pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:30 PM
If Raiders go Amari, wouldn't mind the Browns trading up and trying to grab Leonard Williams
Apr 30, 2015 8:30pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:34 PM
HighRoller74;1725711 wrote:If Raiders go Amari, wouldn't mind the Browns trading up and trying to grab Leonard Williams
Stop the run.
Apr 30, 2015 8:34pm
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Apr 30, 2015 8:37 PM
SportsAndLady;1725714 wrote:Stop the run.
Yup.
Apr 30, 2015 8:37pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:15 PM
Well we are able to get either Parker or Shelton...which one do we pick?
Apr 30, 2015 9:15pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:16 PM
I want Shelton. He will be a stud and wants to be in cleveland


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Apr 30, 2015 9:16pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:23 PM
I think we go Parker.
Apr 30, 2015 9:23pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:27 PM
I can dig it.
Apr 30, 2015 9:27pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:27 PM
I like it
Apr 30, 2015 9:27pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:28 PM
Stop the run yes.
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:28 PM
Stop the run! Super Bowl!
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm
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Apr 30, 2015 9:28 PM
COA....did you go from 6 to midnight?




For the record, I think its a good pick.
Apr 30, 2015 9:28pm