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Feb 12, 2015 11:53 AM
se-alum;1705274 wrote:Haslam says the Browns won't be big spenders in FA. Don't we have to spend most of the cap money?
There is a basement you have to spend. Think it is like 89% of the cap over a 4 year period of 2013-2016.
Feb 12, 2015 11:53am
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Feb 12, 2015 11:54 AM
"The key going forward is the floor more than the cap. The final eight years of the CBA are broken into four-year periods (2013-'16, 2017-'20) during which teams are required to spend up to 89 percent of the cap, with a guaranteed league-wide spend of 95 percent. If the individual clubs or league fail to hit those thresholds, the league/clubs pay the difference to the players."
Feb 12, 2015 11:54am
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Feb 12, 2015 1:25 PM
sleeper;1705266 wrote:Neither Winston or Mariota is worth trading up for or drafting in the 1st round. I'd prefer to not draft a known rapist either, so Mariota or bust for me but only in the second round. I don't think this crop of QBs this year contains anything worth a first round pick.
This. I might take either Mariota or Winston at 19 if they were available( they won't be).....but I want as many bodies as possible with the early round picks.
Feb 12, 2015 1:25pm
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Feb 12, 2015 2:29 PM
se-alum;1705263 wrote:I think Mariota will eventually be a good NFL QB, but it will take some time. Winston is definitely more ready right now to start on an NFL team, and it isn't even close.
I agree Winston is more ready currently no doubt. But in two years I would rather have Mariota
Feb 12, 2015 2:29pm
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Feb 12, 2015 2:51 PM
lol backpedal
Classyposter58;1705050 wrote:Mariota is so much better than Winston it's crazy.
Feb 12, 2015 2:51pm
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Feb 12, 2015 3:52 PM
One thing people under estimate about Winston is he is a hell of a leader. He might be a douche pos but his teammates loved him and played hard for him. I hate the guy but I truly think Winston will be a pretty damn good qb if his off the field issues don't catch up to him.


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Feb 12, 2015 3:52pm
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Feb 12, 2015 3:58 PM
Classyposter58;1705317 wrote:I agree Winston is more ready currently no doubt. But in two years I would rather have Mariota
I don't see Mariota ever being better than Winston, as far as football goes. By all accounts Winston is a hard worker and has a good football IQ. If he stays out of trouble, I think he will be very good. The kid wins. If it weren't for his teammates fumbling all those times in the Rose Bowl, his numbers would've been incredible in that game. They were still as good as Mariota's. Winston was let down by his teammates.
Feb 12, 2015 3:58pm
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Feb 12, 2015 5:38 PM
Automatik;1705322 wrote:lol backpedal
He is a better player and will become a better NFL player
Feb 12, 2015 5:38pm
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Feb 12, 2015 6:38 PM
If he was the better player he would be "more NFL ready," which he's not....and it's not really close.
Feb 12, 2015 6:38pm
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Feb 17, 2015 9:13 PM
Browns unveiling new logo a week from today
Feb 17, 2015 9:13pm
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Feb 18, 2015 11:15 AM
lhslep134;1706240 wrote:Browns unveiling new logo a week from today
It is just an update of the elf logo with Manziel's face.
Feb 18, 2015 11:15am
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Feb 18, 2015 11:48 AM
thavoice;1706325 wrote:It is just an update of the elf logo with Manziel's face.
You're so funny!!!!
Feb 18, 2015 11:48am
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Feb 18, 2015 11:56 AM
se-alum;1705333 wrote:I don't see Mariota ever being better than Winston, as far as football goes. By all accounts Winston is a hard worker and has a good football IQ. If he stays out of trouble, I think he will be very good. The kid wins. If it weren't for his teammates fumbling all those times in the Rose Bowl, his numbers would've been incredible in that game. They were still as good as Mariota's. Winston was let down by his teammates.
BIG if....huge red flags in his character....also doesn't seem to be the brightest guy out there.

After the Manziel debacle, do not think he is worth the draft pick.
Feb 18, 2015 11:56am
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Feb 18, 2015 12:02 PM
wkfan;1706335 wrote:
After the Manziel debacle, do not think he is worth the draft pick.
I disagree that he's not worth the pick as a football player. But he's not worth the pick as an asset since we just wasted our 1st on one last year.

Winston has a work ethic, Manziel doesn't.
Feb 18, 2015 12:02pm
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Feb 18, 2015 12:04 PM
It doesn't matter though, all indications are he's going to go #1 to TB.
Feb 18, 2015 12:04pm
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Feb 18, 2015 12:14 PM
wkfan;1706335 wrote:BIG if....huge red flags in his character....also doesn't seem to be the brightest guy out there.

After the Manziel debacle, do not think he is worth the draft pick.
You don't get offers from Stanford if you're dumb. He's immature, not stupid. It's been documented that Winston has a very high football IQ, and George Whitfield has compared him to Andrew Luck in that capacity.
Feb 18, 2015 12:14pm
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Feb 18, 2015 2:55 PM
George Whitfield, the guy who was waving brooms at Johnny football?
Feb 18, 2015 2:55pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:14 PM
May have misread, but think the bottom line on ESPN just said Pettine is looking for starting QB in FA or Draft.
Feb 18, 2015 9:14pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:38 PM
I'm just going to put this here. This is the guy's only tweet and it's from 8 days ago. I have no comment.

https://twitter.com/docjas05/status/565341654325166081

Feb 18, 2015 9:38pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:40 PM
I don't get it.
Feb 18, 2015 9:40pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:41 PM
Neither do I.
Feb 18, 2015 9:41pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:42 PM
Possible leaked logo? I doubt it is but I have no idea what that logo is. When you combine that with the fact the guy directed the tweet at the Browns, I simply have no explanation.
Feb 18, 2015 9:42pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:44 PM
Laley23;1706441 wrote:May have misread, but think the bottom line on ESPN just said Pettine is looking for starting QB in FA or Draft.
I saw it too
Feb 18, 2015 9:44pm
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Feb 18, 2015 9:52 PM
Laley23;1706441 wrote:May have misread, but think the bottom line on ESPN just said Pettine is looking for starting QB in FA or Draft.
Just saw it.
Feb 18, 2015 9:52pm