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Dec 5, 2014 3:07 PM
@JBradEdwards: Using the old BCS formula, the current rankings would be: 1 Bama, 2 FSU, 3 Oregon, 4 TCU, 5 OSU, 6 Baylor

Is that better for you, thavoice?

Even the old way has TCU ahead of Baylor.
Dec 5, 2014 3:07pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:10 PM
thavoice;1682704 wrote:True. The thing is when comparing teams across the country with very little common opponents they will look at anything they can to try and that brings in the types of the loss. If there are nine common opponants though....it makes that head to head very important and telling and a tipping point
Honestly if I was a Baylor fan I'd be furious. However, as an advocate against pathetic OOC schedules, I'm damn glad Baylor is finally getting penalized.
Dec 5, 2014 3:10pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:11 PM
Baylor's loss is worse than TCU's loss. That doesn't matter at all though, right thavoice?
Dec 5, 2014 3:11pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:13 PM
thavoice;1682704 wrote:True. The thing is when comparing teams across the country with very little common opponents they will look at anything they can to try and that brings in the types of the loss. If there are nine common opponants though....it makes that head to head very important and telling and a tipping point
True, but remember what I said about OSU-VTech? Baylor has the same thing going on with that WVU loss, as they've faded to 7-5 after being ranked for some time. I'm getting the vibe that "bad losses" are among the top things going on with the committee at times.
wildcats20;1682711 wrote:@JBradEdwards: Using the old BCS formula, the current rankings would be: 1 Bama, 2 FSU, 3 Oregon, 4 TCU, 5 OSU, 6 Baylor

Is that better for you, thavoice?

Even the old way has TCU ahead of Baylor.
Of course, that would change after Saturday if both teams win, as Baylor's computer numbers will rise a good bit with a win over KSU. AT THAT POINT, we can make a more direct comparison to actually determine if non-conference scheduling is being graded more than head-to-head. I mean, right now there are 3 Big 12 teams in the Top 10 and two of them haven't played each other. Of course, that's going to have a big impact on any polls only counting what's gone on so far, as TCU just has more big wins than Baylor. Pretty much anyone who's analyzed the TCU/OSU/Baylor log-jam has brought up that TCU's advantage in scheduling gets diminished a lot after Saturday because the other two are playing tough opponents while they have a cupcake.
Dec 5, 2014 3:13pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:15 PM
rydawg5;1681834 wrote:Just to kind of vent here:

I thought this was a playoff based on body of work. If you want to put "the best" 4 teams in a playoff you don't need a freaking committee. You pick ANY Vegas website and look at which 4 teams would be favored according to Vegas and BOOM there you go.

This "without Barrett" shit is garbage.

The NFL has a playoff based on merit and record.

They had the chance to actually run with a playoff this year and they settle for 4 teams in a "Power 5" world LOL. Seriously? Why not just 6 or 8? At least in those 2 scenarios, you get 5 automatic bids and 1-3 wild cards (based on "eye of the tiger" test)

That way you don't have to worry about Baylor trying to pad it's record by playing Arkansas Pine Bluff and Kentucky's 3rd Cousin.

Taking it a step further, the playoff was your chance to turn this into a rival of the NFL. You SHOULD have come up with a system that allows for all champions to enter a playoff for a clear-cut logical reason why they deserve to participate versus the wizard of the oz style deliberation where the great wizard behind the curtain is calling all the shots.
rydawg5;1681837 wrote:10 years later..


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I never agree with rydawg, but i have to +1 these posts. The fact that TCU will get in over Baylor if all teams win out is pathetic. I thought the point of the playoff was to eliminate this type of idiotic logic that has TCU over Baylor. Apparently not. The way I see it, the CFP is just as fucking stupid as the BCS, except now you have 2 extra teams to try and sweep all the other flaws under the carpet. They should have gone to 8 teams from the beginning, now like rydawg says it will probably take a good 10 years of discussion before that happens.
Dec 5, 2014 3:15pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:17 PM
Also, smh can't believe I am going to say this, but i am on thavoice's side on this argument. TCU's win against minnesota is somehow going to supersede Baylor's win over TCU if they both win out? Give me a fucking break. That is just pathetic logic.

Just for the record, I know i have agreed with rydawg and thavoice in back to back posts. I will do 5000 hailmarys and pray to jeebus.
Dec 5, 2014 3:17pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:24 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that the committee just went with the status quo this week because this weekend will sort things out.

They COULD have pre-emptively went after Ohio State because they lost Barrett, but are waiting to see how they play with Jones beforehand.

And I'm guessing the same thing will happen with TCU-Baylor. The reason they're ordered like how they are now is because polls. Baylor beat TCU, but then lost to WVA while TCU hasn't lost since and in polls, most recent losses always are counted the most. But after this week, IF Baylor beats Kansas State, there are a total of two real differences between the teams: one beat one decent non-conference opponent and the other has head-to-head. That closes the gap between the two.

But the committee wasn't going to change the order until Baylor pushes the right button (ie: beating the other Top 10-ish conference team).
Dec 5, 2014 3:24pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:24 PM
wildcats20;1682711 wrote:@JBradEdwards: Using the old BCS formula, the current rankings would be: 1 Bama, 2 FSU, 3 Oregon, 4 TCU, 5 OSU, 6 Baylor

Is that better for you, thavoice?

Even the old way has TCU ahead of Baylor.
and if the bcs system would be used for this then people would be bitching about it that way as well. YOu are making it should like I am the only one who thinks this way. Every where you turn the media is discussing and very few think Baylor should be below TCU
Dec 5, 2014 3:24pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:28 PM
They should have gone to 8 teams from the beginning, now like rydawg says it will probably take a good 10 years of discussion before that happens.
You could have 8 teams, and #9 would still be crying. Personally, I don't think you need more than 6 teams. Anybody beyond #6 is a pretty big stretch to say that they should have a chance at the NC given their body of work.
Dec 5, 2014 3:28pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:29 PM
HitsRus;1682725 wrote:You could have 8 teams, and #9 would still be crying. Personally, I don't think you need more than 6 teams. Anybody beyond #6 is a pretty big stretch to say that they should have a chance at the NC given their body of work.
You would have to figure by the time you get to the 6-8 seed (more likely 7 and 8), you are looking at 2 loss teams. So the #9 team would most likely be a two loss team. At that point, you only have yourselves to blame (especially if you are not in a "power 5" conference).
Dec 5, 2014 3:29pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:33 PM
HitsRus;1682725 wrote:You could have 8 teams, and #9 would still be crying. Personally, I don't think you need more than 6 teams. Anybody beyond #6 is a pretty big stretch to say that they should have a chance at the NC given their body of work.
Why would #9 cry? At 8 teams, you have included every major conference champion. If #9 doesn't like it, maybe they should win something they have complete control over like their conference championship. The system as it exists now, you could go undefeated, win your conference championship, and not make the playoffs, what a joke of a system.
Dec 5, 2014 3:33pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:35 PM
like_that;1682727 wrote:You would have to figure by the time you get to the 6-8 seed (more likely 7 and 8), you are looking at 2 loss teams. So the #9 team would most likely be a two loss team. At that point, you only have yourselves to blame (especially if you are not in a "power 5" conference).
Agreed. With just 4 teams you are comparing alot of 1 loss teams to one another. Whomever would be 9th has much less to whine about than whomever would possibly finish 5th.
Dec 5, 2014 3:35pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:38 PM
I think how quickly this goes from 4 to 8 will depend how powerful the university/conference is that finishes 5-6. One of the darlings in the country, they will get more attention
Dec 5, 2014 3:38pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:40 PM
thavoice;1682732 wrote:I think how quickly this goes from 4 to 8 will depend how powerful the university/conference is that finishes 5-6. One of the darlings in the country, they will get more attention
You mean like Ohio State? OSU is one of the best programs, if not the best program, in college football history. If we do not get in, the 2014 champion will have an * next to it.

*Did not include Ohio State, one of the best, if not the best programs in college football history in the playoff system in favor of small Texas schools who've never won anything
Dec 5, 2014 3:40pm
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Dec 5, 2014 3:52 PM
like_that;1682721 wrote:Also, smh can't believe I am going to say this, but i am on thavoice's side on this argument. TCU's win against minnesota is somehow going to supersede Baylor's win over TCU if they both win out? Give me a fucking break. That is just pathetic logic.

Just for the record, I know i have agreed with rydawg and thavoice in back to back posts. I will do 5000 hailmarys and pray to jeebus.
What's up with this. As soon as I saw you quote me I was trying to figure out how to rebuttal your disagreement of my opinion and counter your personal attack. I'm confused now. Uhh thanks.


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Dec 5, 2014 3:59 PM
like_that;1682721 wrote:Also, smh can't believe I am going to say this, but i am on thavoice's side on this argument. TCU's win against minnesota is somehow going to supersede Baylor's win over TCU if they both win out? Give me a fucking break. That is just pathetic logic.

Just for the record, I know i have agreed with rydawg and thavoice in back to back posts. I will do 5000 hailmarys and pray to jeebus.
My life is complete now.
I like that line though, that TCUs win vs Minny is somehow better than Baylors over TCU is rediculious.
Dec 5, 2014 3:59pm
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Dec 5, 2014 5:47 PM
I'm with the crowd that thinks Baylor should jump TCU if they beat KSU. It only makes sense.
Dec 5, 2014 5:47pm
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Dec 5, 2014 6:04 PM
This is better than BCS but they figure out the only way to make it "slightly" better instead of 1 million times better.
Dec 5, 2014 6:04pm
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Dec 5, 2014 6:11 PM
se-alum;1682760 wrote:I'm with the crowd that thinks Baylor should jump TCU if they beat KSU. It only makes sense.
I mean seriously, does the committee really think if Baylor replaced buffalo with a middle of the pack (8-4 or 7-5) power conference team (I.e Iowa, Maryland, rutgers, Washington, BC, etc) that they would have an extra loss?
Dec 5, 2014 6:11pm
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Dec 5, 2014 6:40 PM
At seasons end, the committee wants the 4 best teams. What happened earlier in the season, I am not sure weighs as heavy as many think. I really think they are looking at the 4 best teams, currently. Who is playing the best. Similar to the NCAA basketball seedings. I am sure they look at the big picture. But I also believe they are closely watching teams play the past few weeks much more than what happened early on. Who is getting better and peaking.
Dec 5, 2014 6:40pm
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Dec 5, 2014 6:45 PM
centralbucksfan;1682771 wrote:At seasons end, the committee wants the 4 best teams. What happened earlier in the season, I am not sure weighs as heavy as many think. I really think they are looking at the 4 best teams, currently. Who is playing the best. Similar to the NCAA basketball seedings. I am sure they look at the big picture. But I also believe they are closely watching teams play the past few weeks much more than what happened early on. Who is getting better and peaking.
If that is 100% how you think it is/should be then where would you think an Ohio State should rank without their QB who had a heisman like season? Let say they they win a ho-hum game, do they deserve it? NCAA committee lowered teams because of injury before
Dec 5, 2014 6:45pm
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Dec 5, 2014 8:20 PM
If it's all eye test you don't need a committee. My 8 year old daughter can look who Vegas favors as a top 4 on neutral field and go with it.

When you have 4 teams you can't treat it like a 68 team basketball tournament.

That's when you ponder for minute if you should go full retard then decide against it.


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Dec 5, 2014 10:13 PM
They need to get more football people on the committee and less bureaucrats.
Dec 5, 2014 10:13pm
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Dec 5, 2014 10:52 PM
Well.....Oregon is in.
Dec 5, 2014 10:52pm
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Dec 6, 2014 6:45 AM
Loved seeing Rich Rod get his ass stomped. Don't know about you but I was getting real sick & tired of hearing about what a great program AZ is now. Joke of a man and team.
Dec 6, 2014 6:45am