Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

justincredible;1671044 wrote:Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Pretty much. Only the most deluded actually think that anything will notably change because a few Ds change to Rs or vice versa. If people want real change and productivity from Washington, a good start would be to take the stance that if the top office can only be held for a max of 8 years, that should be good for Senate, Congress, etc., as well. Dump out the poli-lifers who are entrenched in that little world and constantly keep a stream of new blood flowing in who, in theory, would be more interested in actually getting stuff done than in dedicating themselves to preserving/enforcing their party line.

What to do.... My first bill on my agenda would be to set Term limits for the year 2024 to go into effect
Senate 8 years, Congress 8 years .... Start off the right foot

ptown_trojans_1;1670944 wrote:How do you get to 60? There are still 7-8 D's that need to be convinced of any budget. How do you get them on board? That is the big question.

That's probably the easiest question to answer, and the answer is very simple. You just bribe the hell out of them in the same manner the democrats were bribed to get Obamacare passed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/05/historic-night-gop-makes-record-gains-at-state-level-on-top-senate-wins/


The landslide cannot be overstated, especially when looking state by state at their legislatures and statehouses - WOW. Republican governors were elected in Maryland, Massachusetts and Illinois ....... inconceivable! And to think about all those who bad-mouthed the R's (some of it deserved) just two years ago and wrote the party off completely ----- Hello. Congrats to Priebus for orchestrating a sound strategy and seeing it through, at the national level. And as for most of the states, the Republican dominance and majorities are at all-time highs. If only barack would get on board we could actually do great things.

With the GOP dominance at the statehouse level the past 3 cycles, it could be a generation before the dems get a crack at drawing the congressional lines.

The house could stay GOP for another 10 years, easily.

Anyone else watch the horseshit that was spewed by the king a little while ago?

The guy just doesn't get it.

TedSheckler;1671181 wrote:Anyone else watch the horseshit that was spewed by the king a little while ago?

The guy just doesn't get it.

No, what did he say?

TedSheckler;1671181 wrote:Anyone else watch the horseshit that was spewed by the king a little while ago?

The guy just doesn't get it.

No, what did he say?

Why is it only R's have to move to the "middle" Why do d's never get called out. I already know why... but.. just saying.

Personally I say screw em and burn every bridge they can!

Gridlock = Good! imo

Tired if ALL of D.C crap.
Its about time for not only term limits but a limit on the number of days these a-holes can be in one room together! Make all of them stay in their home state except for a 90 day legislation period and limit the staff for ALL of them to like 2 TOTAL! They put hrs of service limits on my occupation they can have a few of their own!

Rant over

justincredible;1671044 wrote:Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

No, you just are experiencing the libertarian myopic. As you look from your perspective on the libertarian wing, you don't see much difference. In reality, there is a huge difference...just not from your perspective. For instance, if the "Rs" had controlled even one house of Congress in 2009, we wouldn't be saddled with the clusterf### we know as Obamacare.

I can best explain the phenomenon from a personal experience in college. I went to college in Upstate New York, and on the first day in the freshman dorms, a kid from Long Island asked me where I was from, and when I told him "Cleveland", he said, "Oh, you're from 'out west' too....we have a guy from Chicago and another from Denver!"
Now we both know that Cleveland, Chicago and Denver are completely different cities....but to him there was "The City" , Philly, New Jersey, Boston..... we were all 'out west'.

like_that;1671186 wrote:No, what did he say?

Basically he said he wanted to work with Republicans then in the same breath said that if he didn't like a bill that came across his desk he would veto it. He would sign a bill only if it was they way he wanted.

He said weeks ago that he wasn't up for election this time, but his policies are. Well America spoke last night. They don't like the way things are going. He is still going to ram through what he wants by executive order.

ptown_trojans_1;1670944 wrote:How do you get to 60? There are still 7-8 D's that need to be convinced of any budget. How do you get them on board? That is the big question.

Because the Republicans will actually hold those things called a vote. Dems don't have Harry Reid to protect them from voting on tough issues anymore.

This is assuming Republicans don't engage in payback pursuing the same bushleague tactics Reid did controlling the agenda to protect his caucus while blaming Repubs.

QuakerOats;1671177 wrote:And to think about all those who bad-mouthed the R's (some of it deserved) just two years ago and wrote the party off completely -----

That's the giant miscalculation (to put it gently) of Obama, Pelosi and Reid. The biggest mandate and groundswell of support seen in at least a generation, and they steamrolled the Repubs thinking, like most, that the Repubs had become an irrelevant and permanent minority. It took them 2 years, maybe, to piss away all that goodwill. Absolutely inconceivable back in 2008 the House and Senate would flip like this by only 2014.

gut;1671203 wrote:Because the Republicans will actually hold those things called a vote. Dems don't have Harry Reid to protect them from voting on tough issues anymore.

This is assuming Republicans don't engage in payback pursuing the same bushleague tactics Reid did controlling the agenda to protect his caucus while blaming Repubs.

I really hope they actually govern, but the other part of me think the tactics and dirty moves will continue.
We will see though.
I highly doubt anything really changes.
The Senate has been broken as a real body for nearly a generation.

The Great Truths:

1. Obama is an extreme ideologue. He honestly still believes he was elected King of Murica. Even if the Republican-controlled Congress is able to gain any positive momentum, Barry has already promised to save us all from the eeeeevil Republicans with his mighty Golden Veto Pen.
2. Mitch McConnell will be a terrible default-choice for Senate Majority Leader. Just Harry Reid-lite. That's some frustrating shit right there.
3. The new Repub majority on Crapitol Hill will give the liberal media wonks a ton of new ammunition for the Sunday morning talk shows. They're already frothing at the mouth like rabid raccoons. Get ready for the "Queen Hillary is the best bet to save Murica from the ignorant will of the Sheeple" mantra. Book it.
4. The Repubs will cave to media criticism in 3, 2,....
5. The Repubs are Dem-lite. They proved it in 1994 and you can count on more of the same in 2014. IE: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...except maybe not quite as belligerent about it as hard-core Dems.

Doesn't matter. I'm still enjoying the moment... "Hey Harry...You're FIRED!"

5. The Repubs are Dem-lite. They proved it in 1994 and you can count on more of the same in 2014. IE: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...except maybe not quite as belligerent about it as hard-core Dems.

agree with most of the stuff you posted but not this.

The old guard is on the way out....we will see the last spasms as they are pushed aside.

["Queen Hillary is the best bet to save Murica from the ignorant will of the Sheeple" mantra. Book it/QUOTE]

Already the elitists are out spouting the meme that America voted against "their self interest" because of $$$$ from corporations.
They didn't mind in 2008 when BHO outspent McCain 3-1.

The old guard is on the way out....we will see the last spasms as they are pushed aside.

Money will stop mattering in campaigns when Americans stop relying on fucking tv commercials to make their voting choice.

#1 reason money matters so much in elections is the same reason poor people don't have any money - they're stupid.

Today's selected headlines/links


OBAMA DEFIANT DESPITE HUMILIATION...
MAP: What Republican Takeover Looks Like...
'100-year majority'...
KRAUTHAMMER: 'Worst Wall-To-Wall Shellacking You Will Ever See'...
POLITICO: 'Democrats' lost generation'...
House Dems deep in abyss...

QuakerOats;1671354 wrote:Today's selected headlines/links


OBAMA DEFIANT DESPITE HUMILIATION...
MAP: What Republican Takeover Looks Like...
'100-year majority'...
KRAUTHAMMER: 'Worst Wall-To-Wall Shellacking You Will Ever See'...
POLITICO: 'Democrats' lost generation'...
House Dems deep in abyss...

Few things.
1. That map needs to take into account population, like the 2012 Presidential Election.
I would guess that although the country is solid red, if you account for population, it would seem more even.
Like this from 2012
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/

2. One lesson the R's have to keep in mind is they were left for dead after 2012, and how things changed.
Thus, it would be unwise to say the D's are dead and will never be back.

^^^^agree with that. I think the lesson to be learned in all of this is that it is not wise to push an agenda that runs contrary to the will of the people.

HitsRus;1671402 wrote:^^^^agree with that. I think the lesson to be learned in all of this is that it is not wise to push an agenda that runs contrary to the will of the people.

In yesterday's Press Show, the King announced he heard the will of the 2/3rds of American voters who did not even offer an opinion. Unlike Clinton, who hated his trip to the woodshed in 1994, this King has vowed to continue his agenda/faux mandate. Looking to the future, the King will allow the old gray mare to run to the right of his socialist policies and thus make her more popular.

^^^^Contrast this to John Kasich who was handed a stinging rebuke in 2011 when Ohio voters repealed SB5 which he campaigned for and signed into law. The law limited collective bargaining for public employees and was controversial to say the least. Kasich took the defeat in stride, saying "The people have spoken", and made no further attempt to push this legislation, no end runs, no re-attempts...he just accepted the will of the voters and went about the business of righting Ohio's budget in other ways. The difference, of course, is that the job of fixing the state budget was more important than pushing an unpopular agenda. He made his case, took the loss, and then moved forward for the good of the state as well as his own political future.

HitsRus;1671402 wrote:^^^^agree with that. I think the lesson to be learned in all of this is that it is not wise to push an agenda that runs contrary to the will of the people.

I'd tweak that to say ultra-partisan mandates only serves to alienate about half of the voters. Not to mention, ultra-partisan legislation tends to be exceptionally shitty. Repubs and Dems may ultimately not be that different, but when they are completely polarized it's most likely because it's a bad idea. Good ideas/legislation have always found people willing to cross the aisle.

All we did was rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic, and essentially move the sign that says "THIS IS WHERE GOVERNMENT GOES TO DIE" from between the 2 houses to between the houses and the White House.

DC went from accomplishing nothing to accomplishing less than nothing

Anyone that thinks a damn thing will change is a dumbass