Austin Rivers was the cavs best player when he was on the floor. He got punked by whoever he guarded. It was comical.

That could be a season changer for the Cavs.

Midstate01;1697262 wrote:Austin Rivers was the cavs best player when he was on the floor. He got punked by whoever he guarded. It was comical.

The fact Doc Rivers traded for his son seems to be one of the more ridiculed moves made in the NBA in some time.

Heretic;1697294 wrote:The fact Doc Rivers traded for his son seems to be one of the more ridiculed moves made in the NBA in some time.

Didn't they give him an extension too?


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http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/01/16/rookie-rankings-week-10-the-cavs-should-have-kept-wiggins/

He mentions all the same arguments that many of us stated in the keeping Wiggins trade talks over the summer. Pretty clear the Cavs got shafted in the trade.

We have to remember that if the Love deal doesnt get made, the team looks drastically different. Miller, Jones (IMO, they both signed knowing that Love was coming to Cleveland) Marion, Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov are elsewhere. Waiters, Wiggins, Bennett, Kirk and Powell are still in Cleveland. The vets they bring in aren't Miller, Jones and Marion and are a lesser tier. Those three signed on knowing they had a chance for a title. The best FA remaining at the time was Evan Turner.

A lot of people said Love was able to get his numbers because he was on a bad team. Does Wiggins fall under that too? Granted, Pek, Martin and Rubio haven't played much together, how well would Wiggins be doing if he was the 4th option instead of the 1st? Would Waiters have been a bigger distraction because he would be on the bench behind a rookie instead of the vets?

Too many if's...

Commander of Awesome;1697523 wrote:http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/01/16/rookie-rankings-week-10-the-cavs-should-have-kept-wiggins/

He mentions all the same arguments that many of us stated in the keeping Wiggins trade talks over the summer. Pretty clear the Cavs got shafted in the trade.

Obviously it probably turns out different if they had taken Oladipo and not Bennett, but maybe not (as Victor didnt really generate Ws as a rookie) and the Cavs won the lottery as a longshot...but, can you imagine if they had THAT trading piece? Probably have Love and Wiggins or Love and Oladipo. Either would look absolutely amazing right now.

sportswizuhrd;1697549 wrote:We have to remember that if the Love deal doesnt get made, the team looks drastically different. Miller, Jones (IMO, they both signed knowing that Love was coming to Cleveland) Marion, Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov are elsewhere. Waiters, Wiggins, Bennett, Kirk and Powell are still in Cleveland. The vets they bring in aren't Miller, Jones and Marion and are a lesser tier. Those three signed on knowing they had a chance for a title. The best FA remaining at the time was Evan Turner.

A lot of people said Love was able to get his numbers because he was on a bad team. Does Wiggins fall under that too? Granted, Pek, Martin and Rubio haven't played much together, how well would Wiggins be doing if he was the 4th option instead of the 1st? Would Waiters have been a bigger distraction because he would be on the bench behind a rookie instead of the vets?

Too many if's...

ALL OF THIS.

You are borderline nuts if you defens the love for wiggins trade, at this point.

We got fleeced. Period.

SportsAndLady;1697588 wrote:You are borderline nuts if you defens the love for wiggins trade, at this point.

We got fleeced. Period.

I'd like to know how you come to that conclusion. Do you think the Cavs would be better if we had Wiggins? Do you think his stats would even remotely translate to this team where he'd be at best the 3rd option?

HighRoller74;1697589 wrote:I'd like to know how you come to that conclusion. Do you think the Cavs would be better if we had Wiggins? Do you think his stats would even remotely translate to this team where he'd be at best the 3rd option?

Because I'd rather have wiggins then dellavedova, miller, Marion, etc. wiggins could score 10 a game this year and he'd be an upgrade over what we have.

Also I like to look long term as well as short term and having wiggins learn from Lebron and kyrie for the next few years would be great for him.

SportsAndLady;1697591 wrote:Because I'd rather have wiggins then dellavedova, miller, Marion, etc. wiggins could score 10 a game this year and he'd be an upgrade over what we have.

Also I like to look long term as well as short term and having wiggins learn from Lebron and kyrie for the next few years would be great for him.

You also wouldn't have Love, and I'd venture to guess that there would be little to no chance of him scoring 10 a game this season, on this team as the 3rd/4th scoring option.

Fact is we acquired arguably a Top 10 player in the NBA for a Bust, and a Rookie. Maybe Wiggins reaches the Top 10 in his career, or maybe he doesn't.

Love is also only 26 years old, it isn't as if he's 30-31 years old and we're making a last ditch effort to win now. We picked up a guy just entering his prime, and I'm not ready to to concede losing this trade because the team has struggled through 2.5 months, with 9 players learning to play together, in a new scheme and while Wiggins puts up great stats, leading his team to 7 wins.

If Love bolts this year, and/or Wiggins turns into the next T-Mac i'll begrudgingly eat crow on this one.


*Edited to Add*
I'm in the same camp as you guys, wanting to find a way to keep Wiggins, and still get love, whether to have waited, or pull in a 3rd party. At the end of the day, I'm just happy we landed Love, regardless of the cost.

Commander of Awesome;1697523 wrote:http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/01/16/rookie-rankings-week-10-the-cavs-should-have-kept-wiggins/

He mentions all the same arguments that many of us stated in the keeping Wiggins trade talks over the summer. Pretty clear the Cavs got shafted in the trade.

We did. Said it all along.

If we win a title with Love, it's a good trade.
If he bolts or we never get over the hump, it's a failure.

Pretty stupid to judge it after 1/2 of a season either way.

A top 3 PF in the game or a rookie who is years away from being an impactful player on a championship level team, easy choice. The Cavs went for it unlike Lebron's first stint with the team.

robj55;1697602 wrote:A top 3 PF in the game or a rookie who is years away from being an impactful player on a championship level team, easy choice. The Cavs went for it unlike Lebron's first stint with the team.

I know you're not really a fan.....but the Cavs most definitely went for it, during his first stint, was just never able to land someone of Love's quality(Antawn, Ben Wallace). Or they struck out during FA (Larry Hughes)

HighRoller74;1697592 wrote:You also wouldn't have Love, and I'd venture to guess that there would be little to no chance of him scoring 10 a game this season, on this team as the 3rd/4th scoring option.

Fact is we acquired arguably a Top 10 player in the NBA for a Bust, and a Rookie. Maybe Wiggins reaches the Top 10 in his career, or maybe he doesn't.

Love is also only 26 years old, it isn't as if he's 30-31 years old and we're making a last ditch effort to win now. We picked up a guy just entering his prime, and I'm not ready to to concede losing this trade because the team has struggled through 2.5 months, with 9 players learning to play together, in a new scheme and while Wiggins puts up great stats, leading his team to 7 wins.

If Love bolts this year, and/or Wiggins turns into the next T-Mac i'll begrudgingly eat crow on this one.


*Edited to Add*
I'm in the same camp as you guys, wanting to find a way to keep Wiggins, and still get love, whether to have waited, or pull in a 3rd party. At the end of the day, I'm just happy we landed Love, regardless of the cost.

Already calling wiggins a bust???

What the fuck?

HighRoller74;1697606 wrote:I know you're not really a fan.....but the Cavs most definitely went for it, during his first stint, was just never able to land someone of Love's quality(Antawn, Ben Wallace). Or they struck out during FA (Larry Hughes)

They brought in guys with names who were way past their primes, huge difference between getting Kevin Love, Shumpert and JR Smith and getting the corpse of Shaq and old Antwan Jamison.

SportsAndLady;1697625 wrote:Already calling wiggins a bust???

What the fuck?

Reading is hard, I know

Just fucking with you.

Bennett is the Bust.

SportsAndLady;1697625 wrote:Already calling wiggins a bust???

What the fuck?

He's already a good player and he will end up being a great player, maybe not a franchise changer but a cornerstone piece.

robj55;1697635 wrote:They brought in guys with names who were way past their primes, huge difference between getting Kevin Love, Shumpert and JR Smith and getting the corpse of Shaq and old Antwan Jamison.

That was the best they could bring in. NBA landscape was much different before the Miami team was formed.

It's not good looking now but IMO still early on the trade results

HighRoller74;1697637 wrote:Reading is hard, I know

Just fucking with you.

Bennett is the Bust.

Derp on me. Sorry I misread

SportsAndLady;1697717 wrote:Derp on me. Sorry I misread

No worries, happens to us all.

I'm not that big an idiot to think Wiggins is even close to bust, hell I admit he looks the part of a future star.

HighRoller74;1697723 wrote:No worries, happens to us all.

I'm not that big an idiot to think Wiggins is even close to bust, hell I admit he looks the part of a future star.

Which is why he'd be better in Cleveland locked up at a few mill then Love at 20 mill.