bases_loaded;1656484 wrote:Well yeah...and I would argue this offense is better with 2 under center. Hoyer has yet to hit a guy in stride on a deep ball because he lacks arm strength and aside from a few timing routes to the outside, Hoyer hasn't done anything that any NFL QB couldn't do. He's doing a great job being a game manager, but we won't hit any big pass plays with him this year.

like_that;1656474 wrote:You can say that about almost every NFL team. The problem is the browns just never make the small handful of plays per game that translate to wins. This is why they can't get passed 5 win seasons. If the browns make one of the following plays, they win.-make one of the attempted FGs-Hawkins catches that last pass attempt-Haden covers smith-Gabriel plays the ball right on that long throw and scores the easy td-defense completes the numerous sacks they missedThere are more, but these are the types of small details the browns always seem to fuck up. The browns should have comfortably won by 10 yesterday. Instead they found ways to keep the ravens in it until the end. Classic browns loss.

Footwedge;1656489 wrote:\Of those you listed, the Gabriel play was by far and away the worst. The guy was 20 yards clear and Hoyer threw a perfect ball. That makes it 28-17. Hard for Baltimore to to evertake that.

Footwedge;1656490 wrote:People on KNR complaining that the Browns didn't run the clock out with 5 minutes to go. LOL. Idiots.

bases_loaded;1656484 wrote:Well yeah...and I would argue this offense is better with 2 under center. Hoyer has yet to hit a guy in stride on a deep ball because he lacks arm strength and aside from a few timing routes to the outside, Hoyer hasn't done anything that any NFL QB couldn't do. He's doing a great job being a game manager, but we won't hit any big pass plays with him this year.

DeyDurkie5;1656504 wrote:Fucking browns fans. We have a QB who is actually worth a damn and the only thing we complain about is his fucking arm strength. Shut the fuck up and take a breath. We've got a nice stretch of games where we could above .500 and make the last 6 games with gordon coming back mean something.

BR1986FB;1656505 wrote:The guy missed on SIX passes, which is near perfect, but the assholes are going to nitpick over the six that WERE incomplete. SMDH

BR1986FB;1656505 wrote:The guy missed on SIX passes, which is near perfect, but the assholes are going to nitpick over the six that WERE incomplete. SMDH

Laley23;1656510 wrote:And one was a shovel pass to Cameron.

DeyDurkie5;1656504 wrote:Fucking browns fans. We have a QB who is actually worth a damn and the only thing we complain about is his fucking arm strength. Shut the fuck up and take a breath. We've got a nice stretch of games where we could above .500 and make the last 6 games with gordon coming back mean something.

IggyPride00;1656525 wrote:Did the Derek Anderson experience teach you nothing?

IggyPride00;1656525 wrote:Did the Derek Anderson experience teach you nothing?

GoChiefs;1656528 wrote:Yea, it taught us what the hell a 10-6 record feels like.

jmog;1656529 wrote:If you believe we'd be anything but 0-3 with Manziel at QB with 3 bad losses (none close) then you are the obvious troll everyone believes you to be...or retarded...or both.

IggyPride00;1656530 wrote:It also taught us not to get caught up in the moment with a pedestrian QB that wasn't capable of leading us anywhere long term.

The Anderson experiment set the franchise back years and divided the fan base, just as the Hoyer experiment is about to do.

Mark my words, this is 2007 all over again and the long term effects are going to be catastrophic and will tear the fan base apart next year if the fan base's lord and savior Brian Hoyer is not brought back.

I saw the perfect comparison made for Hoyer.

Poor mans Matt Schaub.

Good enough to win some games but not taking the franchise anywhere except disappointment over the long term.

IggyPride00;1656531 wrote:I wouldn't care if we were 0-3 with Johnny. At least we'd be building toward something and getting his lumps out of the way now. He would have a learning curve this year or next, so better to get it out of the way now so we can build to the future.

All we are doing with Hoyer is wasting time.

We aren't going to the playoffs, and now our rookie QB is getting no experience so he can make all the mistakes next year he would have made this year.

Maybe some of you are fine with putting off contention into oblivion, but I am tired of wasting seasons. That is all that is being accomplished this year.

Pick6;1656540 wrote:Don't be so used to shit that you'll settle for anything that isn't shit. I am enjoying watching a competent QB behind center as much as anyone. Hoyer shouldn't be free from ciriticism. If he made a few more plays the Browns win. Just like if Gabriel made one more play, Haden made one more play, the long snapper made one more play, etc.

jmog;1656547 wrote:
He led the team on 3 separate 80 yard touchdown drives.

He can/should be criticized for some of his play in weeks 1 and 2 but he really played very well on Sunday.

like_that;1656328 wrote:True, but the players still had a chance to make the plays Week 1 you had dumbass west fucking up the handoff when the browns were in the redzone. This week, Hoyer could have thrown a better ball to hawkins to get that first down. Hawkins could have also caught that ball to end the game.

Regardless, it's just old to see them find ways to not make these plays and lose. The Browns have probably lost about 90% of their games the last 3 years, because they do not make those plays. No amount of talent will fix that.