jspitaleri
Posts: 161
Jan 1, 2010 11:51pm
Is he the best college quarterback of all-time?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0811/cfb.best.qb.of.all.time/content.1.html
Had this argument tonight that while he is a damn good QB there are others that are better and a few that I would take on my team first...
This SI poll doesn't even list him.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0811/cfb.best.qb.of.all.time/content.1.html
Had this argument tonight that while he is a damn good QB there are others that are better and a few that I would take on my team first...
This SI poll doesn't even list him.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 1, 2010 11:57pm
The difference between him and many of those QB's is the fact that guys like Elway, Flutie, Plunkett, McMahon, Marino, Young, etc. did what they did without having the type of talent Tebow had around him.
What Tebow has done is VERY special, and that's coming from somebody who can't stand the guy, but when you have weapons and an offensive line like he has, not to mention top 5 defenses every year, you're going to win a lot of games.
Tebow has had guys like Harvin, Caldwell, Rainey, Hernandez, Cooper, and dominant offensive lines, along with many other play makers.
Some of those guys had a few play makers, but nothing great. Leinart had a TON around him, as did Vince Young, and even Wuerfel.
What Tebow has done is VERY special, and that's coming from somebody who can't stand the guy, but when you have weapons and an offensive line like he has, not to mention top 5 defenses every year, you're going to win a lot of games.
Tebow has had guys like Harvin, Caldwell, Rainey, Hernandez, Cooper, and dominant offensive lines, along with many other play makers.
Some of those guys had a few play makers, but nothing great. Leinart had a TON around him, as did Vince Young, and even Wuerfel.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 1, 2010 11:58pm
Oh, and for what it's worth, of all the QB's they listed, I voted for Frazier. Frazier was absolutely electric in his days with Nebraska.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:00am
Tebow is having a monumental game tonight. His stats are very impressive. I think the way UF played tonight, they could beat anyone in the country.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:02am
You know, if they played a defense that was this bad every week, they'd probably win the NC.cats gone wild wrote: Tebow is having a monumental game tonight. His stats are very impressive. I think the way UF played tonight, they could beat anyone in the country.
But they played against a few very talented defenses this year and got exposed especially by Alabama.
Early Cuyler
Posts: 1,097
Jan 2, 2010 12:02am
Tim Tebow is simply a "system" quarterback. As DaBrowns41 stated, everything looks easier when you have all the tools in place around you.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Jan 2, 2010 12:03am
^^^^
this.
You should be that good when you have a shitload of talent around you.
this.
You should be that good when you have a shitload of talent around you.
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Jan 2, 2010 12:08am
Early Cuyler wrote: Tim Tebow is simply a "system" quarterback. As DaBrowns41 stated, everything looks easier when you have all the tools in place around you.
And he is still better than ANY Quarterback OSU has ever produceddarbypitcher22 wrote: ^^^^
this.
You should be that good when you have a shitload of talent around you.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 2, 2010 12:09am
Tebow is a great player but not the greatest QB in college history. I think the voting is a bit of sham though. There are not that many people around now that even saw Sammy Baugh play and the game was very very different so the stats are very misleading.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Jan 2, 2010 12:10am
The numbers from each of the eras make this a tough decision. Passing has evolved more and more and more as the years have gone by
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:12am
Where was that argument being made?Elliot Stabler wrote:Early Cuyler wrote: Tim Tebow is simply a "system" quarterback. As DaBrowns41 stated, everything looks easier when you have all the tools in place around you.And he is still better than ANY Quarterback OSU has ever produceddarbypitcher22 wrote: ^^^^
this.
You should be that good when you have a shitload of talent around you.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:15am
Considering the accomplishments he made running and passing the ball, and 2 titles and plenty of awards,,,,,,how can he not be one of the best QB's ever? He played 4 years of great football against the best talented conference the past 4 seasons.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:17am
You mean 3 years.cats gone wild wrote: Considering the accomplishments he made running and passing the ball, and 2 titles and plenty of awards,,,,,,how can he not be one of the best QB's ever? He played 4 years of great football against the best talented conference the past 4 seasons.
Chris Leak was the starter Tebow's freshman season.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:18am
No, 4 seasons. He played plenty his freshman year.DaBrowns41 wrote:You mean 3 years.cats gone wild wrote: Considering the accomplishments he made running and passing the ball, and 2 titles and plenty of awards,,,,,,how can he not be one of the best QB's ever? He played 4 years of great football against the best talented conference the past 4 seasons.
Chris Leak was the starter Tebow's freshman season.
jspitaleri
Posts: 161
Jan 2, 2010 12:18am
^Exactly, that was Leak's championship.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 2, 2010 12:20am
When I think "system" QB, I think of the Hawaii QB's in June Jones' "It's the fucking WAC, just wing it over everyone" offense. Makes ANYONE look good.
When I think of Tebow, it's a good QB with weapons all around him. He'd have been amazing on his own, but his team made him look that much better.
It's SEC football, not a gimmick "system".
When I think of Tebow, it's a good QB with weapons all around him. He'd have been amazing on his own, but his team made him look that much better.
It's SEC football, not a gimmick "system".
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:20am
No, 3 seasons. He wasn't a starter his freshman year.cats gone wild wrote:No, 4 seasons. He got playing time his freshman year.DaBrowns41 wrote:You mean 3 years.cats gone wild wrote: Considering the accomplishments he made running and passing the ball, and 2 titles and plenty of awards,,,,,,how can he not be one of the best QB's ever? He played 4 years of great football against the best talented conference the past 4 seasons.
Chris Leak was the starter Tebow's freshman season.
Getting playing time on a QB dive a few plays a game that season doesn't count as great football.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:20am
2006 stats. As I said, he played a decent amount in 06. He wasnt a starter,but got involved a good amount
Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2006 FLA .......22 33 66.7 358 10.8 5 55 1 201.7
TIM TEBOW RUSHING STATS
Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2006 FLA ..... 89 469 5.3 29 8 0 0 0
Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2006 FLA .......22 33 66.7 358 10.8 5 55 1 201.7
TIM TEBOW RUSHING STATS
Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2006 FLA ..... 89 469 5.3 29 8 0 0 0
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 2, 2010 12:23am
Tebow was the short yardage/goal line/blowout QB in 2006. It was mostly Leak with Tebow punching a few home on the doorstep and in garbage time.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:23am
6 carries a game, and 1.5 passes a game hardly constitutes as "playing great".
10 of his 22 passes that season were in a 62-0 route.
It was a good try though.
10 of his 22 passes that season were in a 62-0 route.
It was a good try though.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:25am
Fine, he had 3.25 great years at QB. (since its such a huge argument and you guys want to discredit him)
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:28am
I'm going to discredit him because everybody says "Tebow has two rings".
The only thing he really did in 2006 was help win the LSU game when he had 2 passing TD's in 2 attempts.
Other than that he had 2 garbage TD's in the 62-0 route, and a passing TD on 1 attempt in a 41-14 blowout against OSU.
It was Leaks team in 2006, and that's inarguable.
The only thing he really did in 2006 was help win the LSU game when he had 2 passing TD's in 2 attempts.
Other than that he had 2 garbage TD's in the 62-0 route, and a passing TD on 1 attempt in a 41-14 blowout against OSU.
It was Leaks team in 2006, and that's inarguable.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 2, 2010 12:30am
Discredit him?
He had a very limited and very specific role that first year:
1. Inside the 5
2. 4th and 1
3. Up by 50
Now, obviously his role was important as he would almost always convert or score in those situations, but in the grand scheme of things that was Chris Leak's baby. He did the legwork. I have nothing against Tebow, that's simply how it was.
He had a very limited and very specific role that first year:
1. Inside the 5
2. 4th and 1
3. Up by 50
Now, obviously his role was important as he would almost always convert or score in those situations, but in the grand scheme of things that was Chris Leak's baby. He did the legwork. I have nothing against Tebow, that's simply how it was.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Jan 2, 2010 12:49am
Umm, him and many other UF players have 2 rings. They won as a team, not because of Leak.DaBrowns41 wrote: I'm going to discredit him because everybody says "Tebow has two rings".
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 2, 2010 12:50am
No shit.cats gone wild wrote:Umm, him and many other UF players have 2 rings. They won as a team, not because of Leak.DaBrowns41 wrote: I'm going to discredit him because everybody says "Tebow has two rings".
But everybody always mentions his 2 rings, like he was such a big part of the offense, when he wasn't. That's the point I was trying to make. Not that hard to understand.