sleeper
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Aug 15, 2014 2:20pm
I give ND props if this is self reported.
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vball10set
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Aug 15, 2014 2:25pm
queencitybuckeye;1644504 wrote:Other than it being an internal investigation and that the female is probably not related to any of the players involved.
I thought this only happened in West Virginia?
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vball10set
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Aug 15, 2014 2:27pm
athlete37;1644502 wrote:Before the news breaks and the speculation starts here-- they were having a female assistant within the program write papers and had romantic relations with the female.
I sure hope not...I thought this only happened in West Virginiaqueencitybuckeye;1644504 wrote:Other than it being an internal investigation and that the female is probably not related to any of the players involved.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Aug 15, 2014 2:31pm
SEC! SEC! SEC!vball10set;1644520 wrote:I sure hope not...I thought this only happened in West Virginia
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vball10set
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Aug 15, 2014 2:40pm
Midstate01
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Aug 15, 2014 2:51pm
Will ND actually face any real heat over this though. Program has had a bunch of shit go down these last few years.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 15, 2014 2:54pm
What heat would you like them to face for self-reporting academic problems and expelling the students involved? What more do you feel should happen here? Keep in mind that sources are saying that they will likely vacate the 2012 season and wins from the 2013 season as well.Midstate01;1644526 wrote:Will ND actually face any real heat over this though. Program has had a bunch of shit go down these last few years.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 15, 2014 2:57pm
A culmination of the last few years should be worth something. Just because you self report doesn't mean you are off the hook... Don't turn into lotz.
OSU technically self reported the tats issue as well...
OSU technically self reported the tats issue as well...
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 15, 2014 2:57pm
Hey they could just be LSU and let the players vote on it....
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 15, 2014 2:58pm
That's my question...what would you like them to do? What further action do you think is warranted here? I'm genuinely interested in your opinion here.Midstate01;1644528 wrote:A culmination of the last few years should be worth something. Just because you self report doesn't mean you are off the hook... Don't turn into lotz.
OSU technically self reported the tats issue as well...
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 15, 2014 3:07pm
Anything but a bowl ban. They barely make those anyway. Or turn them down because they aren't prestigious enough.
Take some schollies. Put some pressure on Kelly to run a better program.
Take some schollies. Put some pressure on Kelly to run a better program.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Aug 15, 2014 3:07pm
For me...I think this is a pretty shitty situation. The kids are dumb as shit for doing this, but I don't know how you can hold any coaches responsible for it unless you can prove they knew about it. If they were able to fool professors for a few years, how can you expect the coach to know? I think that's the bigger issue. ND is supposed to be this great academic university. But how good are the professors if they aren't catching this while it's going on?
ts1227
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Aug 15, 2014 3:29pm
How dumb do you have to be to get caught cheating? Considering 95% of CFB players do it, that's pretty bad
Midstate01
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Aug 15, 2014 3:44pm
@LisaHorne: RT @120Sports: BREAKING: EXCLUSIVE via @CampusInsiders. Up to 22 current & former players involved in the #NDScandal More details to follow.
wildcats20
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Aug 15, 2014 4:08pm
The coach is responsible for everything that happens in the program.sherm03;1644533 wrote:For me...I think this is a pretty shitty situation. The kids are dumb as shit for doing this, but I don't know how you can hold any coaches responsible for it unless you can prove they knew about it. If they were able to fool professors for a few years, how can you expect the coach to know? I think that's the bigger issue. ND is supposed to be this great academic university. But how good are the professors if they aren't catching this while it's going on?
Automatik
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Aug 15, 2014 4:10pm
lol....this. How does that even come into question?wildcats20;1644552 wrote:The coach is responsible for everything that happens in the program.
sherm03
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Aug 15, 2014 4:21pm
I don't disagree with that. My point is, how would you expect a coach to know that players were cheating if they were even fooling their professors? That's the bigger issue. If it's true that 22 current and former players were cheating...how the fuck do the professors not know that? Unless they knew and they were covering it up too. Which again, becomes a bigger issue than just football.wildcats20;1644552 wrote:The coach is responsible for everything that happens in the program.
I'm sure Kelly is like every other coach...he gets a report of the grades, looks to make sure nobody is failing, and then moves on. He's not watching these kids do their homework. No coach does that. And if the professors aren't catching it and alerting the coach about it, how would he know?
namod65
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Aug 15, 2014 4:28pm
sherm03
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Aug 15, 2014 4:30pm
I lol'd! Reps.namod65;1644558 wrote:
athlete37
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Aug 15, 2014 4:41pm
There is some serious comical shit in this story. Part of me hopes it comes out, because it has been some comic relief today from the different sources on the team, on campus, and within the program today
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 15, 2014 5:38pm
Teo has to be one of these former players. 1) he came from the worst state I'm america as far as academics. Even though he did go to punahou. 2) the moron got fooled for like 2 years by a fake person. He certainly wasn't passing classes at nd by himself.
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HelloAgain
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Aug 15, 2014 6:07pm
They didn't hold him responsible for sending a kid up in a tower during a windstorm and letting him fall to his death. I doubt Kelly is sweating bullets over this.wildcats20;1644552 wrote:The coach is responsible for everything that happens in the program.
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vball10set
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Aug 15, 2014 6:21pm
I tend to agree that he'll be implicated.Midstate01;1644573 wrote:Teo has to be one of these former players. 1) he came from the worst state I'm america as far as academics. Even though he did go to punahou. 2) the moron got fooled for like 2 years by a fake person. He certainly wasn't passing classes at nd by himself.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Aug 16, 2014 6:14am
You and your post-whoring on the tOSU-ND thread.sleeper;1644457 wrote:Who cares? ND hasn't won anything in over 20+ years and taking away their 28 point blow out loss to Alabama won't change a thing.
That's who cares
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 16, 2014 8:40am
Do they have to vacate their conference championship?