HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 9:08am
^^^thanks...good post.
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Con_Alma
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Jul 30, 2014 10:38am
Indians are apparently interested in Alex Rios. The Rangers are reported to be willing to include cash in the deal.
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vball10set
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Jul 30, 2014 12:51pm
repsCon_Alma;1640119 wrote:Francona's view on being a buyer. He's got a pretty realistic view of the situation. http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/07/29/indians-notes-francona-talks-trading-deadlline/
The bottom line is selling the future or anything for that matter to find someone to put the team over the top is silly. What will put the team in the playoffs is the performance of the current roster.
Obviously A. Cab isn't part of the future and it doesn't look like Masterson is as of now. I don't know what the Giants are offering but it can't be enough to turn this team into a pennant champion contender.
It's about the guys on the roster right now. It has to be or no trade deal will really matter.
Azubuike24
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Jul 30, 2014 2:24pm
Masterson dealt to St. Louis. Tribe gets one of their top prospects, OF James Ramsey (24 y/o, 1st rounder in 2012).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cardinals-to-acquire-justin-masterson.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cardinals-to-acquire-justin-masterson.html
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 2:34pm
....and the Tribe acquires a pretty decent prospect in return....The cards #1 pick in 2012....James Ramsey, 24 yrs old outfielder at AA ball . Some pop in the bat, 13 HRs in 280 plate appearances..
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vball10set
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Jul 30, 2014 2:59pm
One down, one (Druby) to goAzubuike24;1640203 wrote:Masterson dealt to St. Louis.
Mulva
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Jul 30, 2014 3:11pm
Hopefully this trade works out as well as the last time we sent a mediocre pitcher to St Louis.
TBone14
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Jul 30, 2014 3:14pm
If you read the Cardinal fan comments on that article, they are quite underwhelmed. Masterson was walking anyway at the end of this year...why not take a chance on a guy? Masterson was a negative WAR pitcher all year so not only was he not winning the team games, he was worse than a replacement level starter.
TBone14
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Jul 30, 2014 3:15pm
bighiggy • an hour agoDoes anyone know if masterson is a free agent at the end of the year?
- Bob Bunker bighiggy• an hour agoYes he is
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bighiggy Bob Bunker• an hour agoWow, does he even make us better? And to give up ramsey? Huh? Would have thought prospects would be used to get a good pitcher
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Azubuike24
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Jul 30, 2014 3:28pm
The Cards are stuck in a place, like the Reds (but better) where they are riddled with injuries and have a lot of holes. They needed to really decide if contending was gonna happen, and if you, you have to buy. They have Kelly, Wacha and Garcia, all relatively cheap AND good, done for the year. They also have holes offensively, but limited resources outside of 3 or 4 highly-touted position players (Ramsey included) to trade.
Luckily, the Reds can sell because they are officially done. The Cards gave up a lot for a rent-a-player, for sure.
Luckily, the Reds can sell because they are officially done. The Cards gave up a lot for a rent-a-player, for sure.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 4:04pm
I'm shocked they(the Cards) gave up that much for a guy with so many questions marks...and a free agent to boot.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 4:54pm
There are some negatives for the Tribe, and you can be the judge in your own mind whether they actually matter.
1) probably the only real chance the team had at a post season run was if Masterson returned to form and gave the team a solid #2 starter.
2) The Tribe loses the ability to make a qualifying offer to Masterson in attempt to keep him an additional year( or get a #1 draft pick).the cost of that offer would be in the $15 million range. Probably, the team would not make that offer given how Masterson has pitched this year.
1) probably the only real chance the team had at a post season run was if Masterson returned to form and gave the team a solid #2 starter.
2) The Tribe loses the ability to make a qualifying offer to Masterson in attempt to keep him an additional year( or get a #1 draft pick).the cost of that offer would be in the $15 million range. Probably, the team would not make that offer given how Masterson has pitched this year.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 6:44pm
The boys are wearing their socks up today... Masterson tribute? Kipnis is in stirrups... WTF?
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vball10set
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Jul 30, 2014 7:08pm
yupHitsRus;1640252 wrote:The boys are wearing their socks up today... Masterson tribute?
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 7:36pm
Kluber after 4 innings 45 pitches... 39 strikes and 6 balls.
GOONx19
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Jul 30, 2014 7:44pm
And the bats are silent.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 7:48pm
King Felix perfect after 4 innings as umpire rings up Brantley on a pitch 3 inches off the ground..... 45 pitches .
it's going to be one of those nights.
it's going to be one of those nights.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 7:52pm
And Chiz snags a hard shot down the line and turns a DP!
TBone14
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Jul 30, 2014 7:55pm
Shaping up to be a great duel.
TBone14
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Jul 30, 2014 8:05pm
Gomes! Two run double. Tribe in business still.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 8:10pm
Should have had 4 runs that inning... Terrible coaching at 3rd by Sauerbaugh SMH.
HitsRus
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Jul 30, 2014 8:49pm
Kluber after 8......76 pitches... 14 balls, 62 strikes. Filthy. F'in filthy.
GOONx19
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Jul 30, 2014 9:07pm
Kluber was phenomenal. First pitcher since 1914 with consecutive complete games facing only 28 batters.
BRF
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Jul 30, 2014 9:22pm
^^^^ in addition to that amazing stat, Hernandez set a major league record for consecutive starts with 2 or less runs given up.
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Footwedge
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Jul 30, 2014 9:28pm
Of note is that King Felix extended his streak of consecutive games of going 7 innings and allowing 2 runs or less. Only Tom Seaver has matched that feat in the history of baseball I think tonight makes it 14 games in a row.
A little surprised Bob Gibson, Whitey Ford or Sandy Koufax never achieved that. What makes it even more impressive for Felix is that he's done it against a league with a DH.
A little surprised Bob Gibson, Whitey Ford or Sandy Koufax never achieved that. What makes it even more impressive for Felix is that he's done it against a league with a DH.