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ts1227;1611980 wrote:But for public schools, should taxpayers really be on the hook for the school not minding their own damn business about stuff that's none of their concern if it's not happening on their watch?
It's not necessarily out-of-bounds with regard to athletes. Many sign a pledge, and even if drug testing is stupid or ineffective, participation in extra curriculars is a privilege, not a right.
May 2, 2014 5:12pm
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Al Bundy;1611852 wrote:Even though it was 35 years ago, it has lasting effects. All you have to do is read your Breowns playoff thread to see that.
reps. Made me lol.
May 2, 2014 10:06pm
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Not a good analogy here...but here goes anyway. With advanced technology, should speeding be hotwired to the local police? Running a stop sign? Again, I don't have a problem with a private school mandating this. But not the public schools.

I just wonder how this crowd would react to alcohol testing in a similar fashion. Although probably not at all practical in the real world.
May 2, 2014 10:12pm
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ts1227;1611862 wrote:God damnit I agree with Footwedge
For God sake don't let your mother know about this.
May 2, 2014 10:14pm
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Some of the smartest kids I knew during my time at Iggy would he shit out of luck with this new policy.

Seems a little much given hard drugs are hardly prevalent at these places (unless things have really changed in the time since I graduated).
May 2, 2014 10:41pm
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ts1227;1611862 wrote: I've never understood how a public school was allowed to issue punishment for anything that happens off of their grounds or under their immediate supervision. They should be punished by no one other than their parents (or police if they get arrested for something) for shit that has nothing to do with school. But courts consistently rule that schools can essentially do whatever the hell they want. If only the schools would worry about improving education instead of these little power tripping distractions. Not to mention that money could be used on other things to improve the actual education too.
maybe Donald Sterling should try that theory....since he said those comments outside of the NBA in a private setting...
May 2, 2014 11:00pm
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queencitybuckeye;1611991 wrote:Maybe, maybe not. Students in public schools have rights....
Since when?
May 2, 2014 11:03pm
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Glory Days;1612148 wrote:Since when?
Since the constitution was written.
May 3, 2014 7:25am
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queencitybuckeye;1612187 wrote:Since the constitution was written.
The what???
May 3, 2014 7:56am
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gut;1612059 wrote:Is it really a parental effort? Seems to me these parents would be more than capable of policing this on their own.

And I think private schools should be looking for ways to slow run-away tuition costs rather than tack-on ineffective, non-value added expenses no matter how trivial.
Choosing the type of environment your child is in for many hours a day is definitional a parental effort. One that is a product or influenced by drug testing as some merits from a learning environment.

The tuition costs at parochial High Schools is hardly a runaway train. Look at the cost per student of public education. Suggestion that the increases on an annual basis at these two schools are out of line isn't taking into consideration the academic offerings provided compared to those at a public school and it's costs per student.
May 3, 2014 9:23am
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Since the testing is done for intervention and not punitive, and parents are definitively choosing this environment for their children, the only concern I have is that records of 'intervention' are protected much like medical records.
May 3, 2014 11:32am
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Glory Days;1612146 wrote:maybe Donald Sterling should try that theory....since he said those comments outside of the NBA in a private setting...
NBA is a private organization and can do that. In what I'm concerned about, a public school system is not, and therefore should not be able to.
May 3, 2014 12:02pm
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HitsRus;1612218 wrote:Since the testing is done for intervention and not punitive, and parents are definitively choosing this environment for their children, the only concern I have is that records of 'intervention' are protected much like medical records.
Do you have any reason to believe they wouldn't be? Could the consent to test be inclusive of a definitive process of records and information?
May 3, 2014 12:09pm
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Con_Alma;1612190 wrote: The tuition costs at parochial High Schools is hardly a runaway train.
Really? You see nothing wrong with HIGH SCHOOL tuition costing more than OSU?
May 3, 2014 12:36pm
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gut;1612225 wrote:Really? You see nothing wrong with HIGH SCHOOL tuition costing more than OSU?
I don't have a problem with it at all. I think the comment was that they are a run away train. I don't believe they are.

The increases annually have tended to be below the inflation rate and they are in line with public school costs per student.

I don't have a problem with it at all.
May 3, 2014 12:54pm
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Con_Alma;1612226 wrote:I don't have a problem with it at all. I think the comment was that they are a run away train. I don't believe they are.
If a 400-500% increase over the past 20 years isn't a runaway train, then what would be? There is absolutely no way those annual increases haven't been MULTIPLES of inflation.

I believe that outpaces rising college tuition costs, which are widely recognized as out-of-control.
May 3, 2014 1:16pm
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???? you taking into account all parochial schools? You also might want to take a look at the costs of public education schools. Parochials are hardly out of line in fact there are parochials that continue to dwarf the cost of public education.
May 3, 2014 1:20pm
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Really? You see nothing wrong with HIGH SCHOOL tuition costing more than OSU?


Gilmour Academy is a catholic college prep school in line with Western Reserve Academy, University School and Hawken. It has always cost as much as Ohio State.
May 3, 2014 4:59pm
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Con_Alma;1612229 wrote:You also might want to take a look at the costs of public education schools.
Fair enough. It's absurd what we spend for the results we get in public ed - think the average cost in CLE is @ $15k. Where in hell does the money go since it [apparently] doesn't go to teachers?

Although I wonder how much of America's ridiculous new school binge is driving up that $15k. You don't find many businesses spending $100M to knock down a perfectly good building just to have nicer digs (seems the taxpayer is a bit more forgiving than the shareholder).
May 3, 2014 9:01pm