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Jun 19, 2014 9:27 AM
SportsAndLady;1627719 wrote:Come on, top 10 player? That's absurd. There isn't a center in the top 10 in the NBA, Oden would be one of them? Come on.

Also I don't agree with that article you posted...not sure that will turn out to be a good signing for Miami.
Howard was for awhile (top 10 player) and Oden was even better on offense than him and as much of a defensive stopper. So the potential was there, but I agree that it's a bit farfetched to say for sure he would have been. Coaching goes a long way in how good a big man is (not only for development but also for implementation), and obviously injuries are a factor.

When he was healthy for 21 games in 2009-2010, he put up 17, 13 and 3.4 blocks per 36 minutes. That's pretty fantastic for someone who had spent the last few years overcoming a major injury.
Jun 19, 2014 9:27am
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Jun 19, 2014 9:53 AM
SportsAndLady;1627719 wrote:Come on, top 10 player? That's absurd. There isn't a center in the top 10 in the NBA, Oden would be one of them? Come on.

Also I don't agree with that article you posted...not sure that will turn out to be a good signing for Miami.
I think Oden, barring injuries, would absolutely be a top 10 player. I hate to use college as an example, but he pretty much ran train on Noah(NBA DPOY) and Horford in the Florida championship game with one hand. It's a shame he has crap knees.
Jun 19, 2014 9:53am
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Jun 19, 2014 10:30 AM
sleeper;1627759 wrote:I think Oden, barring injuries, would absolutely be a top 10 player. I hate to use college as an example, but he pretty much ran train on Noah(NBA DPOY) and Horford in the Florida championship game with one hand. It's a shame he has crap knees.
One great college game = top 10 nba player projection

Got it.
Jun 19, 2014 10:30am
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Jun 19, 2014 10:41 AM
SportsAndLady;1627778 wrote:One great college game = top 10 nba player projection

Got it.
Did you watch him at all during the entire season? The guy(and Conley) took that team to the NCAA Finals. And like someone else said, his numbers were pretty solid for Portland in the few games he did play.
Jun 19, 2014 10:41am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:34 AM
sleeper;1627782 wrote:Did you watch him at all during the entire season? The guy(and Conley) took that team to the NCAA Finals. And like someone else said, his numbers were pretty solid for Portland in the few games he did play.
Lots of players take their teams far in the NCAA tournament. Doesn't automatically make them an nba superstar lol come on.
Jun 19, 2014 11:34am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:45 AM
SportsAndLady;1627778 wrote:One great college game = top 10 nba player projection

Got it.
Are you arguing his NBA projection? I'm pretty sure that's the one thing about Oden that is inarguable​. He was seen as a game-altering center. Definitely projected to be a top 10 active player during his career if healthy.


Why are we even having this argument?
Jun 19, 2014 11:45am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:47 AM
lhslep134;1627819 wrote:Are you arguing his NBA projection? I'm pretty sure that's the one thing about Oden that is inarguable​.
Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.

But then again I am very anti-center in today's NBA so that probably has a lot to do with my projection of him.
Jun 19, 2014 11:47am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:53 AM
SportsAndLady;1627811 wrote:Lots of players take their teams far in the NCAA tournament. Doesn't automatically make them an nba superstar lol come on.
It does when you are 7' with an offensive game.
Jun 19, 2014 11:53am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:55 AM
SportsAndLady;1627823 wrote:Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.

But then again I am very anti-center in today's NBA so that probably has a lot to do with my projection of him.
Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.
Jun 19, 2014 11:55am
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Jun 19, 2014 11:59 AM
sleeper;1627826 wrote:Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.
What I meant by that is there are so very few good centers in the league. Obviously if you can find a great one, that's awesome (which is why I want embiid).
Jun 19, 2014 11:59am
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Jun 19, 2014 12:03 PM
I want no part of Oden 2.0.
Jun 19, 2014 12:03pm
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Jun 19, 2014 12:12 PM
The only relevance Greg Oden has to this thread is that the guy people want to draft has a 70% chance of being him. Now stfu and get in topic.
Jun 19, 2014 12:12pm
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Jun 19, 2014 12:49 PM
SportsAndLady;1627823 wrote:Im arguing how high that projection is. He was definitely a sure fire good nba player at the very least without the injuries. But top 10 player? Elite player? Superstar? I can't say that's a sure fire thing.
I'm 99.9% sure your judgment is clouded by what has happened since. I think S&L from 2007 before the draft would call 2014 S&L a retard for saying Oden isn't a potential top 10 player if healthy lol
Jun 19, 2014 12:49pm
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Jun 19, 2014 12:52 PM
sleeper;1627826 wrote:Very anti-center? Check out how the Spurs with a much better post game just dismantled the Heat in 5 games. Good centers with an offensive game are hard to come by. Sure you can always find a 7' like Dwight who can block some shots and get rebounds, but to find a guy like Tim Duncan or Shaq is game changing.


And the Grizzlies with Gasol (look at their numbers before and after his injury this season and try and tell me centers aren't important) and the Bulls with Noah. Hell, even the Bobcats made the playoffs behind Big Al this year.
Jun 19, 2014 12:52pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:00 PM
Pacers with Hibbert not being useless last 2 years and into this year were a threat for a title.
Jun 19, 2014 1:00pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:04 PM
lhslep134;1627844 wrote:I'm 99.9% sure your judgment is clouded by what has happened since. I think S&L from 2007 before the draft would call 2014 S&L a retard for saying Oden isn't a potential top 10 player if healthy lol
I'm not saying he isn't a potential top 10 player I'm just saying I don't believe he would have been.
Jun 19, 2014 1:04pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:14 PM
SportsAndLady;1627850 wrote:I'm not saying he isn't a potential top 10 player I'm just saying I don't believe he would have been.
You mad.
Jun 19, 2014 1:14pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:14 PM
S&L just being stubborn
Jun 19, 2014 1:14pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:20 PM
It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol
Jun 19, 2014 1:20pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:24 PM
Do you still want Embiid at 1?
Jun 19, 2014 1:24pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:24 PM
SportsAndLady;1627861 wrote:It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol
You just have a piss poor memory and applying broken hindsight logic to justify your position.
Jun 19, 2014 1:24pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:25 PM
SportsAndLady;1627861 wrote:It's just my opinion on a player. Don't see how I am getting upset or how I'm being stubborn lol

That's what happens when you have an opinion that is against the grain lol, no matter how moot the argument is.
Jun 19, 2014 1:25pm
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Jun 19, 2014 1:28 PM
Automatik;1627863 wrote:Do you still want Embiid at 1?

Well I will say that if any injury isn't gonna stop me from Embiid, it's a foot one because of how Cleveland has been able to salvage them (think big Z). But I am starting to become concerned by how many he's had already and that's without playing basketball for a while, which means I have no idea if it's a fluke or not.
Jun 19, 2014 1:28pm