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Prescott
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Mar 29, 2014 7:07pm
There is no 'Best in the Country" Hell, the guy who coached Mercer this might be the better than most.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Mar 29, 2014 7:07pm
Out of six times, how many times did he get to the championship? Is he worse than .500 winning the first game?reclegend22;1598171 wrote:Jim Calhoun had six McDonald's All-Americans to Tom Izzo's nine from 2000 on and won national titles in 2004 and 2011, in addition to the title he won in 1999. Louisville has also had just six McDonald's All-Americans since Rick Pitino took over.
Tom Izzo has had plenty of talent to work with compared to most schools. Duke and Carolina are who they are and of course attract insane amounts of Mickey Ds, but that's far from the norm. For example, Florida has just 11 of them since 2000. Two titles for Billy D.
Tom Izzo is a great coach. Not the best in the country. A 1-5 record of winning it all at the Final Four is just not that great.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:11pm
Been to the championship game twice. 1 for 2.mhs95_06;1598173 wrote:Out of six times, how many times did he get to the championship? Is he worse than .500 winning the first game?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:11pm
So yes, 2-4 in Final Four games.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 29, 2014 7:13pm
Good Mercer reference.Prescott;1598172 wrote:There is no 'Best in the Country" Hell, the guy who coached Mercer this might be the better than most.
I do agree with you, though, about there not really being a "greatest" coach out there (it's way to subjective a topic), which is what makes it so bizarre any time anyone here claims Izzo is that coach. His record at the Final Four just doesn't stack up.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 29, 2014 7:17pm
That argument gets obliterated is MSU wins the championship this year - then Izzo would have 2 titles to go with 7 Final 4 appearances, matching Pitino and Williams, among others.reclegend22;1598176 wrote: His record at the Final Four just doesn't stack up.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Mar 29, 2014 7:21pm
Good so far but it's going to shit when UK wins tomorrow.Ironman92;1598162 wrote:SMH
My wife's ONLY bracket.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 29, 2014 7:23pm
As I said in my first post about this, if Izzo wins another title this year, then I will include him in that conversation. As of the moment, he's great, but not as legendary as he is often made out to be.gut;1598177 wrote:That argument gets obliterated is MSU wins the championship this year - then Izzo would have 2 titles to go with 7 Final 4 appearances, matching Pitino and Williams, among others.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 29, 2014 7:27pm
I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.reclegend22;1598179 wrote:As I said in my first post about this, if Izzo wins another title this year, then I will include him in that conversation. As of the moment, he's great, but not as legendary as he is often made out to be.
If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:27pm
Nice chase down block.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 29, 2014 7:32pm
You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.
If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 29, 2014 7:33pm
It sort of does when Izzo is constantly praised for how he has gotten every recruiting class he has coached to the Final Four (assuming Michigan State advances there this year), despite only the one title. I just want to see him prove he can win it all again before bestowing him holy status. His only championship was 15 seasons ago.gut;1598180 wrote:I'm just not seeing a statistically significant difference between 2 titles in 7 Final Four trips and 1 title.
If you want to say he has just 1 title instead of 2-3, then maybe. But 6 Final Four trips DOES NOT support your argument, even if he only has 1 win.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 29, 2014 7:36pm
Not many coaches have won 2. When you reach that mark, that is legendary.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:37pm
This.SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?
There are only 14 coaches with multiple titles. There are 33 who have 1.
And honestly, it's only 13. Because Wooden has 10. NO ONE will ever get close to 10.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Mar 29, 2014 7:38pm
Dayton hanging tough, but it may be too little, too late.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 29, 2014 7:41pm
Statistical significance, yes. 2 in 7 is not a statistically significant difference from 1/6 or 1/7SportsAndLady;1598182 wrote:You can't see the significance of 2 titles over 1?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:42pm
2 > 1.gut;1598188 wrote:Statistical significance, yes. 2 in 7 is not a statistically significant difference from 1/6 or 1/7
That is literally all that matters in this discussion.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Mar 29, 2014 7:44pm
Sibert 0 for 3 in the first half with zero attempts in the second half...wow.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:45pm
Pretty much the only reason I know he's out there is because he lost a shoe a while back.vball10set;1598190 wrote:Sibert 0 for 3 in the first half with zero attempts in the second half...wow.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 29, 2014 7:49pm
If MSU wins the title this year, it will show how stupid your argument is because he's still the same coach 2 weeks from now.wildcats20;1598189 wrote:2 > 1.
That is literally all that matters in this discussion.
The point I was making is if Pitino and Williams only have 2 titles in 7 trips...then it kind of tells you it's REALLY hard to win the title. While 33 coaches might have 1 title, how many of those have been to 6+ Final Fours?
If you want to look at a guy's career and say 1 title doesn't cut it, that's fine. But 6 Final Fours doesn't help your case, it puts him in elite company.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:50pm
Dayton CANNOT get a rebound.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 29, 2014 7:52pm
Finney-Smith is a terrible shooter.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 29, 2014 7:54pm
Lol do you realize how wrong you are? There is a huge difference in 2 titles over 1, yet if izzo wins his second this year he's the same? Maybe coaching wise. But in college basketball history he took a huge leap.gut;1598192 wrote:If MSU wins the title this year, it will show how stupid your argument is because he's still the same coach 2 weeks from now.
The point I was making is if Pitino and Williams only have 2 titles in 7 trips...then it kind of tells you it's REALLY hard to win the title. While 33 coaches might have 1 title, how many of those have been to 6+ Final Fours?
If you want to look at a guy's career and say 1 title doesn't cut it, that's fine. But 6 Final Fours doesn't help your case, it puts him in elite company.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 29, 2014 7:54pm
Dayton getting absolutely no calls down the stretch. Would make it especially great to see them pull of a miracle comeback and take down Florida. Flyers hanging around, but time is running out.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 29, 2014 7:55pm
Yeah there wasn't much of a foul on that board. More of a travel for falling to the floor.reclegend22;1598197 wrote:Dayton getting absolutely no calls down the stretch. Would make it especially great to see them pull of a miracle comeback and take down Florida. Flyers hanging around, but time is running out.